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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Thread number 22! Put down that biscuit - you can eat it tomorrow

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BetsyBell · 23/06/2013 15:54

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads:
most recent, one before that, another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnichts for putting together all the info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
EagleRiderDirk · 25/06/2013 09:35

glad to know lemon and honey not kicking off hunger. will put some in my next cup. thanks all.

off to kids swimming now. last week it made me want to eat my mil I was that hungry (she comes with, so it does make some sense Grin ). today I've got two lessons with a DC each. eek.

peplum41 · 25/06/2013 10:08

Hello

clucking welcome, and well done sticking to your first fasts. The Wine is a nice reward. You will probably get away with it! Yes, what Betsy says is right, like having some savings in the bank for a rainy day. usually, Im overdrawn

Silverbeetle OH that friend! She has got Envyit bad. You are no longer the fat friend.

Betsy you seemed to be posting less lately, so will be nice to hear more from you.

bssh well done sticking to the fast. That's my problem lately, go a bit haywire near the end.

ELR a punch bag! Hope it helps. I too love many things beginning with c. And wine.

BreakOutTheKaraoke · 25/06/2013 10:17

Its the smell of chlorine, Eagle, it has that effect on me too! As soon as I step foot in a swimming baths I feel the need of a carb fest.

FD for me today, completely not feeling it this week. Smashed my scales by accident this week, so no idea what I'm weighing in at, but I'm pretty sure its not as low as it has been- feeling a bit bloated this week. However, I've started the odd day of jogging and digging in the garden too, so hoping its just my legs turning into pure muscle Grin

My next goal is 9.7,I'm setting a date for the 1st august as I'm on a hen do that weekend. That's roughly 6 weeks for half a stone. I'm going to jog (if you can call it that!) at least twice a week til then,and be a bit stricter on my fasts. I slip too easily!

ELR · 25/06/2013 10:22

Morning all, such great posts this morning just what I need to get me motivated! Will be back later to check in as just about to start my cooking class, Summer tomato and rosemary Focachia luckily they take it home to bake so I won't need to smell it cooking!
Well done beetle saf and dotty
betsy think we are around the same weight with the same target and the same problem with snacking! So good luck we are do close to the 9's!

somewherebecomingrain · 25/06/2013 11:22

Hello all, amazingly inspiring.

Despite not fasting yesterday I still lost weight! Starting at 12.3 four weeks ago I was 11.13 with no clothes. Maybe. Bit hard to tell on my old fangled scales. Today with clothes on (I always weigh first thing) I was 11.13 and no mistaking, maybe a little under, with my pjs on.

The fat/glycogen debate from that link kindly posted is interesting.
I think
A) I may need glycogen as a breast feeder
B) that taking a break might help move over to a fat burning metabolism, if that's what is happening when fasting suddenly gets easier.

When I did low carb lunches last summer before getting pregnant I got really strung out, stopped for a day, then went back to it and was fine.

Also intrigued by 16:8 because when I was at college I live with a friend who ate a massive bowl of muesli at 11am, grapes and a large flapjack at 1pm and brown rice based dinner at 4.30pm. I started to do the same. I've never been so skinny or energetic and looking back it was 16:8 or even 18:6, plus a little calorie restriction but I didn't set out to calorie restrict and I remember wondering how it was possible to eat so little.

BetsyBell · 25/06/2013 11:26

Peplum I've been posting less because of an epic plateau I think, just been plodding along without much to contribute. It's great that I've found I can maintain quite easily but I do want to get back to weight loss now.

Hmm, a punch bag sounds fun ELR don't think I've got room for one... [dreams of extensions or even a bigger shed]

OP posts:
BetsyBell · 25/06/2013 11:30

ELR Cross post! We can do this - let's get our mojos back on. I weighed in at 10stone on the dot this morning and I refuse to sabotage myself this time! You with me? Grin

I did well in the week last week and despite a bit of boozing at the weekend I actually have only snacked once (Friday night) and it wasn't painful. Just need to keep the momentum up.

OP posts:
postmanpatscat · 25/06/2013 12:20

Quick check in, can hardly keep up with you all! Get well soon eagle and well done to all those with recent losses, especially those milestones.

betsy you're dead right you can do this! ELR get signed up now!

welcome clucking

I didn't fast yesterday, but was still down 200g this morning Confused It must be all the running!

ELR · 25/06/2013 12:28

I'm with you betsty I'm fasting today so the no snacking will be easier today and I'm feeling really positive, thanks to all the great posts today! I'm not weighing myself until Friday after my second fast day on Thursday, my lowest weight was 10st1.25 so hoping to get to that at least as was back to 10.2 last Friday.

Itsaboatjack · 25/06/2013 12:44

I'm joining you few fasting today. Just wasn't feeling it yesterday but feel more positive today, plus I'm pretty busy so won't get to break fast until about 8pm tonight.

Dotty342kids · 25/06/2013 12:55

Glad you're feeling more motivated today itsaboat, have you got a nice dinner planned?

go for it Betsy and ELR you can do this!! Grin

BsshBossh · 25/06/2013 13:09

Go go go Betsy, ELR, Itsaboat - we're rooting for you.

I'm on a NFD/16:8 day and will be breaking my 16 hour fast at 2pm with lunch. But don't have a clue what I want to eat Confused. Dinner is fine but I'm always unsure what to eat for lunch. I need to plan these in advance, I think (as I advance plan dinners).

akarucker · 25/06/2013 13:19

saf don't worry about reaching the 9's just yet. You've been through a lot, and don't forget that a relatively short time ago you didn't think you'd ever get to the 10s! You're doing really well.

akarucker · 25/06/2013 13:21

bssh I struggle with lunches too, and consequently often end up picking and snacking, not having a proper lunch, but ends up being very high cals. I'm always hungry at lunch, but never know what I feel like eating iykwim. Nothing sounds good (except chocolate, of course...that always sounds good!!!)

BsshBossh · 25/06/2013 13:24

I love salads and hot cooked meals, rarely sandwiches. My SIL, when she worked in an office rather than from home, always prepared her lunches the night before and they were always pasta dishes or mixed salads or leftover dinner that she put away in Tupperware and into the fridge for the next day. I need to be as prepared as that I think ref. my lunches.

BsshBossh · 25/06/2013 13:25

Which doesn't solve my lunch problem today... Hmmm..

dines · 25/06/2013 13:36

Fast day for me today Iv had two cups of tea and one cup of coffee, goin to have a chicken and veg BIG soup 200 cals.. fasting today and Thursday this week. Who else is fasting today and wot are tje planning to eat?

Twinmama32 · 25/06/2013 13:58

Soooo envious of all those in the 10s, I'd literally chew my arm off to get there if I thought it'd help, instead I'm am still firmly in my 6 week plateau totally stuck at 12.6.
So what did I do after my fd yesterday? At 1pm today I stuffed my face with an entire bag of choc pretzels and two,TWO fruit scones with butter and jam, plus salt and vinegar twirls plus mint hummus , carrot sticks and cucumber Blush

And I wonder why I'm the size I am!

ELR · 25/06/2013 14:03

I fasting today and Thursday. For lunch I've had a mini baby bel with a small apple chopped up into pieces and a portion of spicy butternut, chicken and barley soup I made and froze in portions a while back. All that was 211 calories. Then for dinner I'm making the spinach and prawn curry thing that bssh recommended with 20g brown rice and that's going to be 228calories. Which leaves me 60 calories for my cups of tea.

BsshBossh · 25/06/2013 14:24

Solved my lunchtime dilemma. I made this tuna and butterbean salad from the BBC and I made enough for two lunches. 345 cals all in so also perfect for FDs:
www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/1527/tuna-and-butterbean-salad
Very yummy and quick to make, by the way.

angelabbie · 25/06/2013 14:31

Hi guys, I am on my fourth week and have lost 3kg after a very slow start so am delighted. FD today and hv had a skinny costa latte which for me is a must. Zero noodles with stir fry veg later with strawberries a meringue and some light greek yogurt. Lovely! I am 5ft 5 started at 12st 2.5 and am now 11.7, hoping to get to 11st by my hols first week in August.

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Cat98 · 25/06/2013 15:02

Hello
That salad sounds yummy! (For a fast day of course, would be nicer with some creamy dressing and croutons lol)
I'm fasting today and have had 2 ryvitas, laughing cow light cheese and a raw carrot!
Dinner will be 3 quorn sausages, broccoli and a little instant gravy. I'm ravenous!
Going to pick ds up from school soon and take him to the park, hopefully that will help pass the time!

Itsaboatjack · 25/06/2013 15:09

Just had a bouillon drink to keep me going. I've got a ham and tomato omelette with salad planned for dinner followed by a coffee with almond milk and coconut oil. I've been reading about how good for you coconut oil is supposed to be for you over on the 5:2 fast diet site.

Sariah · 25/06/2013 16:03

I missed out last week as very busy in work and so diet was terrible. So far today have had a handful of raspberries, handful of strawberries and a ham/salad box. Will have turkey and veg stir fry for dinner.

EagleRiderDirk · 25/06/2013 16:12

The key to a successful fast day seems to be planning. Knowing this, why have I today decided the meal plan isn't good enough? Have had to wash the hunger pangs from replanning down with a bovril. Decided to forego my fast day chocolate treat, and am totally fine with that - couldn't figure out why then remembered I had dessert last night. I'll live. A slightly more calorific but far more food containing quorn steak rice salad for me now.

Hope all fellow fasters are going well.

Definitely looking forward to tomorrow's NFD. First day since Saturday breakfast will be involved. Hmmmmm the luxury of breakfast!