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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Thread number 22! Put down that biscuit - you can eat it tomorrow

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BetsyBell · 23/06/2013 15:54

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads:
most recent, one before that, another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnichts for putting together all the info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
akarucker · 29/06/2013 09:09

Second week of 5:2 (from ADF) and a big fat ZILCH lost this week. Please, please, I do not want to track cals on nfd!!! Don't make me! You can't make me! Shall not do it! Will not! Nope!!!

postmanpatscat · 29/06/2013 09:13

all right aka we won't make you!

well done chipstick and I admire your restraint! Is that your goal or will you keep going?

Southeastdweller · 29/06/2013 09:34

Hi there. Too much bread yesterday means I'm having a FD today.

Thanks for the advice yesterday pep and postman. In hindsight I think it was a mistake to only do cardio exercise whilst doing 5:2 and 4:3 all these months.

Well done chipstick!

Some of you have been drinking almond milk so I thought I'd give it a go even though I don't know what the benefits are. I'm having a cup of tea with it and enjoying it, as well as liking it on it's own.

missunicorn There is plenty of brilliant support on here for you. Are you still fasting today?

Southeastdweller · 29/06/2013 09:36

aka Maybe you could do a food diary instead?

JB30 · 29/06/2013 09:39

Same here Saf nearly 3 pound on scales after Thai stir fry (and crisps & wine & chocolate if I'm being honest)
I know it's not real but still irks me Angry

swallowedAfly · 29/06/2013 09:47

yeah it also makes you realise how bloody hardcore on your body eating that crap must be. i was in need of food and it had to be tempting though as i'd had a few days of no appetite and not really taking care of myself.

it'll go again! yours too JB. but yes - IRKsome.

EagleRiderDirk · 29/06/2013 10:12

Congrats chipstick

Mmmm chipsticks. Havent had those for ages!

Chipstick10 · 29/06/2013 10:27

Grin. Eagle. Thanks everyone, I must admit over the past six weeks or so I have even counted calories on my non fast days and I didn't really want to get into that but my hols are coming up soon and I want to be able to indulge.
Re my goal, I never really had one as I wasn't into standing on the scales just wanted to walk down the street and feel a little bit more confident and wear size ten jeans and at this moment I am wearing topshop skinny waist 28 jamie jeans. It's a good feeling. Good luck and love and support to all the great people on this thread

SoTiredAgain · 29/06/2013 12:23

Congrats chipstick that's fantastic weight loss. It doesn't matter if you count calories on NFDs, whatever works for you. Can I ask how tall you are?

Loving the curry links, thanks all.

After yesterday's bad news I ate junk, which i enjoyed. Woke up with a headache though so I decided to do 16:8. I did a session of the shred too and I've got to say, I'm feeling really good. Smile

This is only my second time doing 16:8. First one was meh but I can now totally see that if you over indulge one day, it's actually really helpful to be able to do this the next day.

akarucker · 29/06/2013 12:47

southeast but if I do a food diary, it's going to document the chocolate, crisps & cake that I eat on nfd!! Grin

tryinghard2 · 29/06/2013 13:03

Bread&wine im so glad to hear that! What did you fiddle with on it? I put it in exactly the same spot as my nonelectric ones and this morning it said i weighed exactly the same as yesterday straight after massive lunch whereas old scales said i was 2lb lighter. In my panic i tried on my wedding dress so i know it must be lighter than they said because it fit :) so not sure which to believe yet! Will have to test it in boots!

I was really panicking yeserday but im ok aabout it now - ive still lost the same amount, just might have started fatter than i thought :D

Chipstick10 · 29/06/2013 13:57

Can I ask what 16.8 is. In answer to your question sotired I am 5foot 3

mttum · 29/06/2013 14:23

Thanks to VP and B&W; great posts, and very motivational Smile

B&W, I think you are the only other curry-loving vegan male I know who is doing 5:2 ( or at least a variation). There can't be many of us; don't tell me you're a rugby fan too?!

headintheclouds · 29/06/2013 14:38

mtmum and poshvoice ... Dont whatever you do give up on this. Ive been doing this WOE since end of January ..my weight loss has been very slow and for six weeks between april and mid May I was just travelling up and down the same 1 or 2 pounds ( as you will probably see frm my posts).
I got so much support on here and not once did I consider stopping because it works..Yesterday I finally achieved my first goal which was to drop a stone ( lost more in the last week than Id lost in the previous 4!)
My weight has not been this low for many years.. It took a long time to creep on and I guess its going to be a long time coming off. But Ive lost a stone in 5 months ,and if I can lose another one in the next 5 months Ill be well happy. And I so enjoy being able to have my routine G&T ,crisps and wine at the weekends without all the guilt of the dreaded slimming world weigh in at £5 a pop !!!! I'm committed to this WOE forever...because its free and easy Wink

Breadandwine · 29/06/2013 16:55

mttum sadly not - cricket's more to my taste - and football in the winter. Never got into rugby.

BTW, Betsy thanks for starting this thread - but did you have to include the word 'biscuit' in the title?

I don't often think of biscuits these days, but, every time I come by this thread the idea is planted in my mind and I want one! Sad

It reminds me of the story of a new head who took over a school and thought he'd draw up a list of rules - what students could do and what they couldn't do.

One of these was that students must not climb onto the roof. Well, that had never before been a problem at the school, but, within the first half term after these rules came out, no less than 5 students had been caught climbing on the roof!

So please, no more mention of biscuits! Grin

MissUnicorn · 29/06/2013 18:01

Aww, thank you for the warm welcome and condolences Grin

Southeast yes I'm fasting today. I've got some leftover lamb that I'm going to pop in a stirfry. This is an impromptu fast so I'm not as prepared as I usually am. I can smell my neighbours are having a BBQ & I'm drooling!

My mum handed me a small wine glass full of glass of baileys, and I've covered it and put it to one side. I'll have it tomorrow.

postmanpatscat · 29/06/2013 21:49

Evening all...just popped out for a run, did two laps (about 5km), then another, and another....ended up doing seven altogether and that was 17km non-stop (10.5 miles!) I couldn't have dreamt of doing that four months ago before 5:2 made me think almost anything was possible!

JB30 · 29/06/2013 21:53

Lordy lord - what a LOT of food I have snaffled today. Actually scared to try input it into mfp - picked at the kids food before I ate mine, ate all mine, kids leftovers, pie & ice cream, Pringles, nuts, chocolate, biscuits, wine. I won't be eating til lunch tomorrow. I ate solidly for 2 hours I reckon.
Hmmm... I was thinking I was getting better at controlling my appetite - it would appear not. Time to sleep now but my big bloated belly!

SoTiredAgain · 29/06/2013 21:57

Just sneaked at your mfp calorie burned for that run. OMG Grin

Super well done. Smile

JB30 · 29/06/2013 22:01

Looks like a grand total of 3500 cals...gulp

CaptainMoll · 29/06/2013 22:02

Hi fasters - I'm barging in to ask a bit of advice.

I've been doing 5:2 for 5 weeks now. I'm finding it good - the fast days are fine and the non-fast days I'm getting less and less of an urge to eat bad things, but the weight isn't shifting,

I'm combining it with the C25K running programme, as well as my moderately active everyday life.

I lost half a stone in the first two weeks, but now my weight's just plateaued. I'm sitting at 86k and nothing's happened for over two weeks. Did anyone else find this? Is there some kind of stagnation period before the weight starts shifting again? I'm desperate to get to a healthy BMI for (in)fertility reasons, and this lack of any loss at all is getting me down.

Sorry to just plonk myself down mid-thread, but I can feel myself getting disheartened and I really want to keep this up this lifestyle change I've made.

Any help gratefully received!

JB30 · 29/06/2013 22:03

Did you find me on mfp SoTired - looks about nervously Wink
I'd have to run a bloody marathon after that pig out!

JB30 · 29/06/2013 22:05

Crossed posts! Sorry SoTired
Wow Postman... that's some run, amazing!

Southeastdweller · 29/06/2013 22:09

Oooh Baileys. My favourite tipple Smile

On the home stretch here. Been even easier than usual as I was fairly full up because of eating a lot yesterday. Green olive bread with scrambled eggs and spiced peach chutney, a bucket of coffee and some burnt toffee chocolate waiting for me tomorrow for brunch, lovely.

akarucker · 29/06/2013 22:17

So I'm thinking I might do my first 16:8 tomorrow, but not sure if it'll work for me. I have a certain amount of skill when it comes to eating vast quantities, and a time limit may well fire up my inner challenge to see just how much I can manage in an 8 hour window....

Will report back tomorrow night.

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