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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Thread number 22! Put down that biscuit - you can eat it tomorrow

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BetsyBell · 23/06/2013 15:54

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads:
most recent, one before that, another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnichts for putting together all the info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
BetsyBell · 28/06/2013 20:34

ERD Except I'd really want to nibble real food after drinking - weakens every ounce of my pathetic resolve!

Have you had zero noodles? Wouldn't eating cardboard have the same effect?

I remember when 'Olestra' (or something) was hailed a miracle oil as it was said to make simple carbs stick together into complex chains, but in reality it just gave people diarrhoea.

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EagleRiderDirk · 28/06/2013 20:43

betsy ah, fair enough. I occasionally have a glass on a fast day if the kids have given me the runaround. The terrible twos combined with a teething 9mo mean I need a glass tonight! I love the zero noodles - but yes cardboard may also do it. I like being able to have a dessert on a fast day too. OH's stir fry with real noodles and lashings of sauce did look very good though.

BetsyBell · 28/06/2013 21:08

ERD (I haven't actually tried zero noodles Grin)

Such young'uns! I'm quite glad i didn't discover this fasting lark till after mine were well into school age, it's blimming hard when they're that little. I don't think mine actually slept through properly until they were 2, so I was just perpetually knackered for years! No wonder I turned to biscuits (and booze!)

So Flowers and kudos to all of you fasting with tiny tots, I could not have done it.

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JB30 · 28/06/2013 21:13

Hitting 1900 of a nfd here, can I just say aldi fake bountys are extremely good - I should know I'm moving onto my 2nd Grin Thought I'd have an nsv myself earlier with an extremely unfriendly pair of jeans (no Lycra) Ok it was possible but the thunder thighs were still struggling, 4 weeks ago they wouldn't have even have gone up them thighs - so an nsv even if it wasn't as victorious as I had hoped. Kitchen now closed, tomorrow's a 16:8 as having lunch with friends. Hope everyones enjoying their friday evening

Talkinpeace · 28/06/2013 21:21

MissUnicorn
Power to you to join during such a week. Losing cousins younger than I am was darned hard.
BUT
You have come to the right place.
When you are ready to hit the zone and do fasts interspersed with TDEE the lovely ladies and gents on here are the crew to support you.

I have the surreal problem that I lost more than I was expecting this week so am having to take steps to avoid the Ulrika neck look!
Fasting makes it so easy to run a calorie deficit!

mttum · 28/06/2013 21:25

Hi all.

I'm guessing a lot of us are also MFP aficionados. My question is, what do you input to MFP when you go out for a meal?

I mean, places like Pizza Hut and McDonald's have nutrition charts and so on, but I think I would get nothing but a strange look if I asked at the local chippy or curry house.

What do you do? Take a wild guess? Ignore it completely? Or do as I do and say any meal out is 2000 cals and you have to make it up the rest of the week?

Any other ideas?

Talkinpeace · 28/06/2013 21:28

I stopped calorie counting last year
a "hero" from a deli by the Empire State does not bear thinking !

mttum · 28/06/2013 21:40

Tip, let me get this right.

You don't count cals at all? But I recall you saying you are "stricter" during the week so that you can have more leeway at weekends. Do you do this without counting cals during the week? If so, is that because you have an instinctive feel for things now, or what?

Not being narky about this, I am genuinely interested to hear how it works for someone who has been doing this WOL for a lot longer than I.

amigababy · 28/06/2013 21:42

First fast day over (nearly) - I had:
lunch time - 3 pieces of fruit
5pm = salad tomatoes, and pickled onions (love them) plus a fairly milky coffee
8pm - vegetable broth, 3 breadsticks, an apple.

just watching a bit of Glasto now and wondering why there's absolutely no-one I've heard of on. Waiting for Chic a bit later (you can guess my age from this!)

Prawntoast · 28/06/2013 21:49

I have never calorie counted on NFD's, I don't know what my TDEE is. I have found that my appetite is smaller because I fast and I am more conscious of how much I eat without counting calories.

JB30 · 28/06/2013 21:53

Mttum I've been using mfp for nearly a year but yep struggle with the establishments with no easily accessible info. First of all, I probably always try to go for healthy'ish option (for all the good it's done me!) what that means is its usually something without too many ingredients, so I can break it down easy enough, ykwim? If I do go mad I look for the closest possible match and prob pick the more calorific from the lists. I think you do start to learn as you go along.
Haven't ate out in ages :(

Talkinpeace · 28/06/2013 21:54

Mttum
I do not calorie count :
cannot remember my settings on MFP but I have the same name everywhere
I did for the first few months - intermittently
BUT
my max weight was BMI 23 : I've always known what I should be eating but cheese and cider intervene!
what has changed now is the habit of eating less all week and then letting go (on a smaller stomach and lower alcohol tolerance at the weekend.

AGAIN BUT
I'm a skinnymalink
DH is a 6'1" brick outhouse : he is a lot slimmer but not much lighter ...

BsshBossh · 28/06/2013 21:54

I no longer calorie count any days and meals in/out. But that's only because I calorie counted for a year on MFP and now have an instinctive idea. For meals out I looked at a cross-section of similar meals on MFP and took the average then added a few hundred cals Grin. Worked for me. My higest cal meals always ended up being Wahaca at around 1400 cals a sitting.

EagleRiderDirk · 28/06/2013 21:57

mttum I calorie count still and when I go out I use the calorie counts from similar restaurants. I was out last week at a restaurant that did very similar meals to Ask Italian, so I used their nutrition as a guesstimate.

Otherwise I just use some basic cookery knowledge and try to build things together.

mttum · 28/06/2013 22:16

Well thanks everyone, that's really useful info.

It seems as if when you have been doing this for a while you develop an instinct for how much to eat ( and drink!) on NFDs.

Perhaps it is best for us "newbies" to keep counting until we have the confidence and knowledge to be a bit more "instinctive" Grin

Cat98 · 28/06/2013 22:24

Coming to the end of my second fast day of the week. Had 2 ryvitas, salad with cottage cheese, chicken breast with broccoli and gravy, and 3 coffees.. Happy to have succeeded, though going to bed a little peckish! I hope my weight is still going down, loss has been v slow so far. Will see tomorrow!

virginposter · 28/06/2013 23:40

www.52fastdiet.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6502

poshvoice/mttum and all others on plateaus. Have a look at the above link to the 5:2 Fast diet forum where they are sticking with it and finally getting results.

postmanpatscat · 29/06/2013 00:00

congrats prawn well done!

Breadandwine · 29/06/2013 06:50

Thanks, Bssh! The first thing I noticed about this blog, and encouraged me to begin this WOL - 16 months ago the other day - was that it could help to prevent prostate cancer! And for men of my age, that had a certain appeal!

And thanks, VirginPoster! As VP says, I'm a vegan who loves his curry and chilli. I make veg curries for my fast days - and the meal can range from around 150 calories to about 350 calories. I've a couple of recipes on my blog:

nobreadisanisland.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/52-diet-simple-vegetable-curry-vegan.html

For all you curry lovers (lovely to see so many!) here's what I consider to be the best website for Indian food. This lady is amazing!

www.mamtaskitchen.com/

Oh, and welcome, mttum - nice to see another guy on board.

Especially a vegan curry-lover! Grin

Breadandwine · 29/06/2013 07:32

ii bought the scales from Lild bread&wine mentioned, because mine aren't electronic and its hard to see what they say! but i wish i hadn't, they say I am 8lb heavier than i thought i was! soooooooo depressing!

SoTired I got exactly the same result as you did the first time I used them - 8lbs over what my manual scales said. But I fiddled about with them a bit, tried again and they went down to the 'correct' reading.

If they don't do that when you try them again, I would check them against Boots* - and if they're out of sync, just take off the difference whenever you weigh yourself.

*Make sure you're wearing the same clothes! Grin

But I do agree about measurements - it's my belt that I go by, TBH!

AwkwardSquad · 29/06/2013 07:41

I do like curries but haven't made any for a little while so will definitely explore that site, Bread. There's this vegan Indian food website too: www.holycowvegan.net/ We made a coconut, sweet potato and chick pea dish and it was delicious.

Chipstick10 · 29/06/2013 08:21

Morning all. Happy. Started this woe January 9th. Foolishly didn't bother weighing myself but know that 3 months earlier i was 10stone 5.
Have only weighed myself three times since January, I don't want to get focused on a pound here and there...well I stood on the scales yesterday. 8stone 4. Grin. Very pleased to say the least

Cat98 · 29/06/2013 08:28

Wow chipstick that's fantastic!

JB30 · 29/06/2013 08:35

Morning all. Wow Chipstick 8.4 is amazing! I want to lose 2 stone as well, really encouraging to see your progress.
I'm doing a 16:8 and I've about 4.5 hours to go. Hungering and starving but I know it will pass, going to do a run in the next couple of hours, that'll help distract me. Bowl of soup around 1, then out for a meal at a friends about 4, that'll do me nicely for the day (friend has no concept of low fat, it's going to be epic, can't wait Grin)
Worked out a plan for next 2 weeks, race is on to be lean for the hols - bit less wobbly with them 10 pound gone

swallowedAfly · 29/06/2013 09:03

morning all Smile

amazingly a chinese takeaway can equal 4lbs up on the scales the next day!!! damn well better be salt and water retention.