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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Thread number 22! Put down that biscuit - you can eat it tomorrow

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BetsyBell · 23/06/2013 15:54

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads:
most recent, one before that, another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnichts for putting together all the info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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peplum41 · 28/06/2013 17:34

betsy yay to the teeny dress over leggings thrill.

On the subject of NSVs, Ive just had an odd conversation over the phone with a friend asking if Im a size 16 yet,(yes,easily), and that if I carry on losing weight I can have her old clothes. Thing is, I think she is a size 16, soHmm. I know she meant well, but she has just inadvertently spurred me on to make sure those old clothes of hers are too damn big for me. I think you could call that a non scale kick up the backside.

crunchy some fasts are hard, fact. Well done for the café will of iron in the face of temptation.

dotty, thanks. Are you on your 3rd tent because they don't last or just fancied an upgrade? We've camped before in a hired campervan, and one of those snugs, but not tented since I was about 20. Now 40 and have bad back!

peplum41 · 28/06/2013 17:36

Hi bssh, hope you're still there. Was it you that mentioned an infamous set point weight, ages ago? If so, what is it? (please)

BetsyBell · 28/06/2013 17:46

Peplum Are her old clothes from slimmer days? She might be offering 14s or 12s?

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Dotty342kids · 28/06/2013 17:48

Betsy, that's brilliant, well done!
Peplum brought first tent, went camping a few times and realised there were certain features on it we did / didn't want. Brought second (enormous) tent, loved it and it was brill but it was better for long trips and was too much of a faff for weekends. Now on third tent as DS old enough to have his own little tent so we don't need such a vast beast. Am hoping this'll be the last one for a while!

EagleRiderDirk · 28/06/2013 17:52

betsy nice NSV!

BsshBossh · 28/06/2013 17:59

peplum I honestly can't remember. But I Googled and found this:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2990627/

Also this:
jn.nutrition.org/content/127/9/1875S.full

Talkinpeace · 28/06/2013 18:03

QueenB
When to weight in?
Lots and lots of us fast on Monday and then its a mixture of Wednesday and Thursday.
Then we relax / pig out at the weekend
So, the best time to weigh is at the end of the second fast of the week.
Isn't that cheating?
Yes and No.
After a fast, your body contains no undigested food so what you are weighing is the real bone / blood / brain / muscle / fat you.
Also,
If you are NOT down or stable at the end of the 2nd fast, you need to check your calorie intake on normal days

  • or there may be an underlying medical problem
peplum41 · 28/06/2013 18:22

Betsy you little trooper, I never thought of it that way. Now I don't know what she meant. But, hey I liked the sudden determination.

Dotty that seems to be the choice- easy to put up, verses luxury. Is this his first year in his own tent? Is it a pop up one? Are you shoving the dog in his direction! Now what about sleeping bags?

Bssh thanks ever so, sometimes I forget to google it! Will take some time to mull over those findings.

Crunchymunchyhoneycakes · 28/06/2013 18:28

NSVs - I seeeeeee! Like fitting into your old jeans etc? I'm not sure I have had any massive instances yet but I do look slimmer and I got back into an old work dress I couldn't get zipped up not long ago...
Thanks for explaining betsy!

Talkinpeace · 28/06/2013 18:35

crunchy
NSV = for my 20th wedding anniversary dinner this summer I'm going to have to have my original dress adjusted down form a size 16 to a size 8 ....

NSV = having to wear a keeper ring as my fingers have shrunk so much since my wedding

NSV = no longer suffering the knee pain that I had for 20 years of being above my optimum weight

the NSVs are the feel good ones. Scales are just a number. feeling great is the best.

ceebeegeebies · 28/06/2013 18:45

Loving the NSVs -as a non-weigher, I am measuring my progress by NSVs so they are very important to me Wink

Well after my dilemma about whether to fast or exercise today, I chose fasting. Can't go for a lovely walk as it has been chucking it down with rain all afternoon (as I am sure peplum can confirm Grin). Am now sat here in my pjs and a cardigan as I am freezing.. and I am NEVER cold so hopefully it is a sign my body is doing something!!

Crunchymunchyhoneycakes · 28/06/2013 18:55

A 16 to an 8 Talkin now that's an NSV! Wow! I've never been an 8 in my life!

I'm already in bed with the baby so on the home stretch, feel a wee bit tired but know I'll not even feel that hungry by the time I wake up! Have yoga in the morning so looking forward to feeling super virtuous for that and then being able to enjoy being a bit indulgent over the weekend!

PoshVoice · 28/06/2013 18:55

Weekly weigh in and my weight is the same, this plateau business is getting quite tedious... It's been four weeks now Angry

Anyway good luck to all today's fasters

BetsyBell · 28/06/2013 19:29

More NSVs please! So much better than stoopid numbers:

My wedding rings have a pleasing rattle these days
My feet are back to being a size 5 rather than post-pregnancy size 6
Bikini shopping/wearing no longer fills me with abject horror
Bursting full of energy in the day time and running around with the kids like a 10 year old.

Grin

PV think beyond the scales...

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mttum · 28/06/2013 19:30

I'm with you posh, also no change for 4 weeks. Surely something has to give soon?!?

Lets stay with it!

MissUnicorn · 28/06/2013 19:40

Hiya all,

Just joined but feel like I know you all as I've been lurking for so long. I've been doing this woe for a couple of months now and have lost about 6lbs. I haven't been measuring myself, but know I've lost inches because some of my clothes are fitting loosely!

My younger cousin was buried this week and I've just ate and drank my whole way through the whole week. I've had fizzy drinks (I never usually drink them), sweets, biscuits and have just bought an apple pie and rum and raisin ice cream which I intended to eat all by myself. My skin is a mess and I feel horrible. None of this is going to bring him back, so what the hell am I doing?

I decided to register because it just occurred to me about 5 minutes ago that I may not have bungee-jumped fallen of the wagon as much as I did this week if I had some support.

I'm going to fast tomorrow, Monday and Wednesday.

angelabbie · 28/06/2013 19:42

hi

someone mentioned waitrose pasta on here a few days back but I cannot for the life of me find the post. If anyone remembers the name of it please can you let me know.
Thank you
T

angelabbie · 28/06/2013 19:44

Hi Miss unicorn, what a terrible week for you and I am so sorry about your cousin. Eating junk will not bring him back but if it helps for the moment then go for it. Monday is always a good day to say lets give it another go.

Best of luck
T

tryinghard2 · 28/06/2013 19:44

i've definitely learnt today not to be so bothered by scales - nsvs for me for the future!

Prawntoast · 28/06/2013 19:50

missunicorn sorry to hear about your cousin. Completely understandable to comfort eat in those circumstance. You'll get some great support on these threads.

After a 2 week stall have lost 1.5lbs, more importantly am now in the "normal" zone for BMI, it's been years since I've been there!

QueenBoudicea · 28/06/2013 20:06

Thanks for the welcomes :o

Miss Unicorn - so sorry to hear of your loss. Grief can take time to process and it'll hit you like a bolt - try not to set your goals too high whilst its all still so raw - taking care of yourself is the most important thing at the moment.

Nearly at the end of my second fast day - I've had a filling portion of aubergine stew with a spoonful of wholewheat couscous and I'm feeling really full still - I've still got 30 cals left so going to have a 10 cal jelly and 20 raspberries to celebrate friday night :o - note to self - no fast days on a friday :o

I might weigh myself tomorrow morning then and see how I've got on this week. On my non fast days I'm eating about 1800 cals which feels generous to me.

I'm finding it generally manageable - the only side effect is that I am absolutely exhausted at about 5pm - fell asleep with DS this afternoon on the sofa for an hour - I was awake at 5.30 this morning thinking about what to eat today so perhaps that could be why I was more tired than usual but I was the same on my first fast day too. I'm on holiday at the moment but am a little bit worried about how I'll get on when I'm back at work in a few weeks.

I like the idea of NSV's :o

BetsyBell · 28/06/2013 20:07

missunicorn Welcome, sorry to hear your sad news. Comfort eating is totally understandable. Be kind to yourself and although it's more effort, eating well will help you. If you get the nutrients in you can indulge too. Fasting helps, brings back an element of control to it all. You will get lots of support here x

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angelabbie · 28/06/2013 20:08

I found the past thank you!!

BetsyBell · 28/06/2013 20:12

QueenB I missed your arrival in the midst of my own trivial trauma. Welcome :) It gets easier I promise!

Prawntoast AMAZING NEWS! Well done!!!! Doesn't it feel good! Grin You'll start finding that all those people you used to think impossibly slim are not so different to you...

Fasting on a Friday is very tricky, best to get it out the way on a Thursday so you can crack open the Wine Grin

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EagleRiderDirk · 28/06/2013 20:23

Well done prawn

Sorry to hear about your cousin missunicorn

Welcome queenb

betsy or go for zero noodles in a stir fry and have a wine anyway Wink