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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Thread number 22! Put down that biscuit - you can eat it tomorrow

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BetsyBell · 23/06/2013 15:54

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads:
most recent, one before that, another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnichts for putting together all the info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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BetsyBell · 28/06/2013 11:24

Hi NoFork Glad it's still working out for you :)

Benefits I can think of off the top of my head: cells are able to go into repair mode, lowers cholesterol, lowers risks of type 2 diabetes, dementia/alzheimers. Also - easy weight management, re-learning how much food is right for us and letting us get back in control of our intake.

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Dotty342kids · 28/06/2013 11:45

headintheclouds that's briliant, well done! So pleased for you and I agree that recalculating your TDEE is definitely worth doing Grin

Sun has come out here so camping, here we come!!

NikkiQ · 28/06/2013 12:51

Hello all,
Purchased the book yesterday, joined this site today. Am, as always, when taking on a new regime, feeling the dread.
I have a dislike of weighing, becomes an obsession. Is weighing really necessary for the 5:2?
Appreciate any tips/help...thank you and nice to meet you all :o)

mehefin · 28/06/2013 13:07

Hi Nikki
This is a long term way of eating so you can let the weight come off in its own time and weigh as often as you feel comfortable.

Many find that measurement and clothes fit are a good way of keeping track.

It can be challenging at first but stick with it and you will find the best way to fit it in with your life.

Talkinpeace · 28/06/2013 13:07

Nikki no need to weigh yourself ever if you like.
go through your wardrobe and sort your clothes by those you can fit into / just / maybe/ never
and within two months you'll be down to the never pile :-)

NikkiQ · 28/06/2013 13:10

Clothes, I am good at them, so will take your advice both and thank you!

EagleRiderDirk · 28/06/2013 13:14

I can touch my toes. Can't remember when that last happened. Is that 30 day squat related or 5:2 getting rid of the tummy related?

Southeastdweller · 28/06/2013 13:27

Half a pound off this week which I'm happy with considering I was mildly indulgent on a mini-break in Bristol. It's so nice to know I've got a 'formula' to eat a fair bit whilst away and not put on weight - as much exercise as possible and a fast day the day after I come back.

Now at a new all-time low and with a BMI of 22. But some of the flab is still clinging on and don't know exactly what weight I should be considering I need to lose more flab, put on some muscle and tone up (hard to know what I want to weigh when I've been overweight my entire adult life so far). I'll research more about it this weekend I think.

Hope the weather is good for everyone this weekend Smile.

peplum41 · 28/06/2013 14:23

Quickie post,

hitc, so glad for you, well done. Hope your new TDEE is agreeable.Smile

southeast BMI of 22 sounds fine, toning up is probably what you're best doing now. Some intermittent fasting should keep the fat off. Maybe not as much as 5:2, just 6:1 and a 16:8. Happy days! BTW, weather up north is typically grim, we are seriously considering relocating to the south coast.

Nikki don't be nervous, I was when I ordered the book. Its better than you could possibly imagine. Keep looking here, check out the positive stories.

Dotty, are you a camping expert? We are going tent camping in a couple of weeks. Shock. With a dog. In a pop up tentHmm Have a nice time. Assume you're off down somewhere down south.

QueenBoudicea · 28/06/2013 14:37

Hi there - is this the thread to join if you're new to 5:2?

I'm on my second fast day and so far going reasonably well - just had soup for a late lunch and have the rest of the day meticulously planned.

I'd like to lose about 8-10 lbs and bring my BMI down. It's teetering on the top range of healthy so I'd like to see it more in the middle range.

How long before any of you saw any weight loss? - I'll generally be fasting on a Mon and Thurs so I'm wondering when would be best to weigh-in.

I'm really interested in the health benefits too.
My first fast day went ok - I'm not really a breakfast person so didn't find it too bad lasting out til lunch.

I was wondering what was best to eat for breakfast on the day after fasting? I don't really want to break my fast on something that's going to cause me to lose energy half way through the next day

peplum41 · 28/06/2013 14:37

mttum,meant to say thanks for the tofu tips. Have you got the recipe book "Appetite for reduction"? Has excellent all vegan, cal counted tasty recipes, plus makes for an amusing read as its so well written. I was looking at tins of nut loaf I ordered from suma, that's not too carb heavy, but high in fat. For NFDs would be something to consider. Its sugar and refined carbs which seem to be the enemy of our waistlines. Do you use the tahini as a marg substitute when you have it with marmite on toast?

tryinghard2 · 28/06/2013 15:30

ii bought the scales from Lild bread&wine mentioned, because mine aren't electronic and its hard to see what they say! but i wish i hadn't, they say I am 8lb heavier than i thought i was! soooooooo depressing!

tryinghard2 · 28/06/2013 15:32

although i suppose that means i started 8lb heavier too... :(

peplum41 · 28/06/2013 15:47

Hi queenB, you are in the right place, sounds like you're off to a good start. As to what you eat for breakfast the next day is up to you. Ideally, delay the brekkie as long as you can for the health benefits side of things. Im sure you know what constitutes a healthy start to the day, sadly, not a really big bowl of frosties Grin Speed of weightloss varies hugely, its more of a long-term lifestyle choice than a diet as such.

tryinhard2 downer!! But don't those scales have a body fat analysis component? That would be very interesting to observe during a plateau.

postmanpatscat · 28/06/2013 16:00

Hello all

Weighed in this morning at the same as my new low last Saturday, so decided to have a F.I. Friday Blush Will hit the gym over the weekend to undo the damage and might go for a run tonight if the rain holds off. I haven't fasted since last Friday but don't feel I need to at the moment. I might do Sunday in lieu of next week's 6:1.

welcome queenb you're in safe hands amongst this crowd! welcome nikki too

trying are they on a hard floor? Have you tried scales anywhere else eg friend's house or Boots?

Well done southeast Difficult to know what to do, as you said, if 22 is a new low. It might be that some targeted exercises are the way to go rather than thinking about numbers now. My BMI has gone from 24 to 20 but there is still a flabby area on my back between bum and waist!

Nice NSV, ERD !

Great news sotired (though not re job) and hitc

to everyone else!

tryinghard2 · 28/06/2013 16:07

oh yeh...i think my mums scales are usually the same as my old ones. i expected them to be a bit different but not that different haha!

mttum · 28/06/2013 16:10

peplum, yes I have got that book, must take it down from the bookshelf again. I tend to get in a bit of a rut with my recipes, just a few favourites and old standbys. I could do with a bit of variety!

I just love tahini spread on the toast, not too thick, then marmite on top, so yes, I suppose it's a margarine substitute. I hadn't really thought of it like that, I just saw someone eating it on a Buddhist retreat one time, tried it and was hooked!

Dotty342kids · 28/06/2013 16:56

peplum not a camping "expert" no, but we have been camping since the kids were 1 and 3 (they are now 8 and 10) and are on our third family tent so if you have any questions, do ask, and I'll try my best to help!
We live in HErefordshire so are fairly southish anyway. Only going to a local site but it's the four of us plus dog and it'll be a nice wee break Smile

BetsyBell · 28/06/2013 17:04

Lovely NSV - bought a teeny weeny dress today. Just tried it on with a proper mirror and some serious platform sandals (plus leggings - not revealing doughy legs!) and I looked like a member of a girl band or something - minus the big hair and orange face.

In your face stupid scales!

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Crunchymunchyhoneycakes · 28/06/2013 17:04

Hello everyone, fasting today, has been a bit of a struggle to be honest - not helped by having promised to taking my sons for lunch at the local cafe and having to sit with a mineral water while my dh and ds1 tucked into a full breakfast and sausge and chips!!! On a more positive note I remembered this awesome chicken curry recipe from the bbc and made that for tea - really low fat/cals but really really tasty - and left me enough cals to have rice and a mini nan with it. Now to get through till tomorrow without eating nothing else. Early night I think!

Crunchymunchyhoneycakes · 28/06/2013 17:05

What does NSV mean betsy? Seen a few people say that, probably being thick.

Crunchymunchyhoneycakes · 28/06/2013 17:06

And we'll done on looking so super in your new dress you glamourpuss you!

Crunchymunchyhoneycakes · 28/06/2013 17:06

We'll = well

BetsyBell · 28/06/2013 17:09

Crunchy Non Scale Victory :) End of week fasts always feel harder to me, especially if sat in a cafe! I'm impressed you didn't cave - well done. Curry is definitely the theme of this thread isn't it?!

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BsshBossh · 28/06/2013 17:19

Wow, crunchy seriously impressed with your refraining from food at the curry!

Excellent NSV Betsy!

Have a great weekend all!

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