Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Thread number 20! Officially a score.

971 replies

GreenEggsAndNichts · 20/05/2013 08:27

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/05/2013 19:50

Have to highly recommend the Glorious Tuscan Chicken and Orzo soup. I've tried quite a few of the fresh supermarket soups now (my favourites have been Covent Garden's Best Vegetable and their Potato and Leek) and this is going to be a new fave.

240 calories for the carton. Lots of veg, not a lot of chicken or orzo but that's what you'd expect for the calories. Very good flavour!

OP posts:
swallowedAfly · 22/05/2013 19:52

evening.

well today was to be a fast and it went well all day but had some emotional events this evening and feel wiped out and now have oven chips and scampi in the oven. will still be a relatively low cal day and i have had a long zero fast. had a bit of a cry and felt wrung out and in need of food to earth me. hope it will do the trick.

perfectionism is death to all endeavours ime so if this is to be a wol rather than a flash in the pan i have to roll with days that it doesn't work out and not beat myself.

hope everyone is doing well x

Dotty342kids · 22/05/2013 20:04

I've had that one before I started 5:2 greeneggs, it's really nice I agree! Had forgotten that those would be fast day friendly - excellent!

saf wave coming back atcha! Sorry to hear you've had an emotional evening, hope things are ok now? Hope things are better for you tomorrow.

BsshBossh · 22/05/2013 20:07

Another successful no snacking day.

EstoyAqui · 22/05/2013 20:08

SAF sorry to hear you have had a bad day. I think you are right though, this is a long term WOL so it needs to be adaptable to how we feel at that moment.

PPC I laughed at the car thing. Maybe your brain is trying to help with the weight loss ;)

I've had my weigh in this week. 71.9 - that's another 1.7kgs off or 3.7lbs. I went clothes shopping today and actually felt good about trying things on. :) I don't weigh myself over school holidays so it will be a two week wait for me. I'm hoping to be in the 60s when I weigh in a fortnight. As long as I keep busy over half term it should be possible.

swallowedAfly · 22/05/2013 20:13

i'm fine - thank you. just had something happen that made me kick off into fight or flight/end of the world drama lama mode but have fortunately managed to come back down to earth. scampi and fries was lovely! if i can get the chickens to go to bed i will be off to my own so hopefully no more calorific damage tonight.

EstoyAqui · 22/05/2013 20:13

Sausage fingers 1.9kgs or 3.7lbs.

YoniFoolsAndHorses · 22/05/2013 20:16

I have two questions, if anyone can help at all?

  • Firstly, why am I losing weight (not muscle, I am sure, as I continue to exercise the same and feel fitter if anything) but I am NOT losing belly fat :-( This is what I want and need to lose!! I have been following this WOL now for nearly 8 weeks, and no fat loss at all around my stomach, even though I am 10lbs lighter.
  • Secondly, after 6 weeks I started doing water only fasts and not eating at all until the following day, just lots of water and mint tea. But are 3 days of this too much to do each week? Should I only do two of them? I am doing 4/3 rather than 5/2.

If anyone can help at all that would be lovely. I feel really depressed about my fatty stomach! I do running, tennis and a abs and back class weekly.

BetsyBell · 22/05/2013 20:25

((((saf))))

I like the term 'drama llama' :)

YoniFools I know my thighs are the last place my fat goes from - it is going now but after all the other places (back, boobs, waist, hands, feet...!) so I'm guessing you're an 'apple' to my 'pear' and if you persevere it will go from your belly. Well done on 10lbs so far Smile

YoniFoolsAndHorses · 22/05/2013 20:32

betsybell Thank you! I am, indeed, a definite apple shape and have very little hips at all (when skinnier in the past, very much straight up and down). But now my boobs are massive (also not losing from them) and my stomach hangs over the top of my jeans. Sigh.

You're right. I probably just need to stick with it longer. If the weight has been fat loss from around my bodily organs, then at least it's been worthwhile health wise so far!!

plecofjustice · 22/05/2013 20:36

Hi Yoni,

Are you doing any other ab exercises as well as the abs class? A burst of ab-work, particularly with the fasting probably isn't enough to build them up. Maybe doing 10 situps a day and 30 seconds of plank?

YoniFoolsAndHorses · 22/05/2013 20:50

pleco No, I'm not actually. I have an abs wheel today that I ordered, and I am planning on doing a bit tonight. My abs are weak after a few pregnancies. I am already doing pelvic floor exercises each day though.

Thank you. All spurs onwards very very welcome as I was feeling quite disheartened!

awomanchanging · 22/05/2013 20:51

yoni unfortunately we cant spot reduce but you can try doing more core exercises

awomanchanging · 22/05/2013 20:52

yoni unfortunately we cant spot reduce but you can try doing more core exercises

awomanchanging · 22/05/2013 20:55

Ugh double post! betsy i'm a pear too and it is so frustrating!! I have fat on my knees that need to go! Do you have this problem?

Theyre definitely shrinking but I'd be comfortable wearing shorts etc if they were flabby.

ceebeegeebies · 22/05/2013 20:58

Evening

Supermarket soups are my Fast Day staples as I really can be arsed cooking in the evenings on fast days so a carton of soup does the trick for one meal. Tend to get the Covent Garden ones although I have carrot and coriander one for tomorrow and I am really not keen on it so not exactly looking forward to it. I am going to leave it until I am so hungry, I would eat anything Grin

BetsyBell · 22/05/2013 21:04

awomanchanging I've lost so much weight now that it's just thighs and bum left. I tell you what though, since the fat went from my knees it's uncomfortable at night when I'm curled up with knees together - a problem I never would have thought of!

Sadly I have an awful set of varicose veins on one leg so I have to keep them covered up even though they're starting to be a nice shape [pouty face]

On the subject of ready made soups I really like the Sainsbury's Meal soup pots (tried arrabbiata and chicken balti so far) - 230ish calories and really filling, thick and tasty.

ELR · 22/05/2013 21:09

greeneggs that soup is one of my fast day staples usually have 500g of it for lunch so only 200cals then DH has one and my spare 100g. The butternut squash one is also nice and comes in at 208 cals for the whole tub. They are £1.50 in sainsbury at the minute too.
betsy I've failed again and just had 2 slices of peanut butter on toast I feel so rough I needed some comfort food! Still pleased I didn't snack in the day though well apart from the wine!
saf sorry you've had a bad day, but as they say tomorrow's another day!

spababe · 22/05/2013 21:18

Yoni, I'm no expert on this but I've heard the weight loss on 4:3 is the same as on 5:2 and I wonder if this is because a person's metabolism drops on 3 days of fasting and this cancels out the 3rd day if you see what I mean.
I guess one of the reasons 5:2 works is because the fluctuation in daily calories keeps the body guessing and thus the metabolism stays up??

postmanpatscat · 22/05/2013 21:22

My favourite fast day soup is New York Skinny Butternut Squash, the whole tub is 180 cals. I get it in Tesco.

Today though was Heinz Lentil soup, a big pot of Greek fat-free yogurt, a box of blueberries and a Frusli bar. 492 cals, job done :)

saf hope the world looks better tomorrow.

DeckSwabber · 22/05/2013 21:25

Today I have been mostly eating cake. Blush.

akarucker · 22/05/2013 21:31

Oh my goodness...I've missed so much! I went away for a few days, and there was no Internet access. It's just taken me over an hour to catch up!

I really missed the support on here. I went bonkers on a holiday mindset eating frenzy, and now truly regretting it, and suffering horribly on a fast day today. I could have done with logging onto here, to keep me on track. Didn't dare weigh myself this morning, but hopefully a fast today will shed some of the million calories I consumed in three days,

Welcome to the new posters who have appeared over the last few days. Love having lots of people on here for support.

I seem to also have missed the NO SNACKING pledge. Sounds much nicer than the NO SUGAR pledge we took a few weeks ago. I think I'll jump on this bandwagon too, but probably just until the end of the week, then take a break for half term. So I'm with those if you doing it! So you're saying I can have my chocolate, it's just a question of when I have my chocolate? That sounds doable.

Urgh, be warned, fasting is harder after days of eating absolute crap! Not pleasant at all. Must. Try. And. Learn. From. This.

BetsyBell · 22/05/2013 21:38

aka! I missed you! Did you enjoy the eating frenzy at the time at least? Or did you get that bellyache thing where your body is saying 'no more' but your crazy brain says MOAR FUD NOWWWWW

The NO SNACKING is a lot nicer than the no sugar thing actually - you just have to remember to eat the snack item ('pudding') straight after your meal! And I reckon by the end of the week I'll have kicked the 4pm snackattack cravings in the butt Grin

Good luck getting back on the wagon, it's not easy after a few days of stuffing your face relaxing. Wink

Itsaboatjack · 22/05/2013 21:41

Sorry you've had a rubbish day saf, I hope tomorrow is better.

Welcome back aka, hope you enjoyed your days away. Don't regret what's already done, jump straight back in and you'll soon be back on track.

Another FD done, feeling munchy though so distracting myself laughing at the fools on the Apprentice.

awomanchanging · 22/05/2013 21:55

betsy for me my stmoach is flatter, last back crease is disappearing. All thats left is a bit of flab on my triceps and the flab on my knees. Its summer time here in San Antonio tx, 90s all this week and its miserable wearing jeans. I've been doing leg exercises so I'm hoping they shrink down to normal asap! Hopefully all the weight I lose will be from there as it seems that my arm and knee fat were the first to come and now last to go.