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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Diet Thread! Number sweet 16!

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/03/2013 20:05

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
mummyof2girlsx · 24/03/2013 19:49

saf beans are very filling, might try them for my fast day tomorrow! I too like to eat as late as possible on a fast day as I find it hard to sleep when I'm really hungry.

Today has been an eating day and I was quite sensible for most of the day and then ended it with a chinese takeaway Blush......it was very tasty though Wink

BsshBossh · 24/03/2013 19:51

Ezzza the best reaction I've had (aside from my DH who is daily complementary of my body, love him) is from our window cleaner. I'd not seen him for 6 months. A few weeks ago I opened the door to him and literally fell backwards off our doorstep with a big "Wow you look great!" Then apologised profusely whilst I laughed chuffed to bits! I'll never forget that Grin.

BsshBossh · 24/03/2013 19:52

he literally fell backwards, I mean! Not me.

Breadandwine · 24/03/2013 19:54

Another unexpected benefit if this WOL - perking up the window cleaners! Grin

Breadandwine · 24/03/2013 19:55

'...of this WOL...' of course! [annoyed]

BsshBossh · 24/03/2013 19:59

LOL BandW, I know we have a preview button but we need an edit button too!

NurseEzzzaChapel · 24/03/2013 20:04

Ha ha, like it bssh. Non-fast day here and I've eaten way too much, but it's Sunday [defiant face].

HollyuponPoppy · 24/03/2013 21:23

I'm always interested in the patterns of weight loss that people have, and I've been tracking mine on a spreadsheet (nerd), which unfortunately DH has taken with him while he's away for a couple of weeks. We only have one laptop...any way, from memory I had a 5 lb loss the first week, then a couple weeks of just under 1 lb, then 2 lbs, then a complete stall for a couple of weeks, then another couple, and 3 down this week. The big change for me this week was that I was eating big work related lunches on the three eating week days, and then I wasn't hungry for dinner, so I found myself going for a really extended fast from 1pm Weds, through the fast day of Thursday, waiting to eat the giant lunch on Friday and then not wanting to eat again until Sat mid morning. When I ask "am I hungry?" I have to hesitate; then when I ask "what do I want?" and look in the fridge I find what I really want is a big glass of sparkly water. Having said that, I ate my body weight in snacks and drank a lot of red wine last night with the girls. And no hangover. And whoever said the taste buds are working overtime now, I find the same thing.

ellenbrody · 24/03/2013 21:44

I have eaten WAY over my TDEE for the last 3 days! I'm out if control! I'm at my target weight and trying to maintain it now, but I just can't seem to get my head round it, I seem to have an 'all or nothing' mentality. I havnt even been hungry- I've just scoffed for the sake of it!

I'm hoping a fast tommorow will put me back on track, I have a leafy salad with ham in the fridge to take to work and an innocent pot for dinner. DH will cook for himself and the kids and I can keep out of the kitchen.

maza66 · 24/03/2013 21:48

Probably is the winter clothes thing tbh! though usually I lose weight in the visible (and useless ) bits such as face, neck, arms etc I do go to the gym loads though and most people are super vigilant about any change there. Loads are doing this diet though and seeing steady results. Like other posters I do think the other benefits are worth it - such as my whole system speeding up (by that I mean going to the loo much more)
Still having spots though!!! Sad

Sidebar · 24/03/2013 22:13

Hi all, thanks for all the support (on the last thread). As you know, I was planning on starting tomorrow but a chronic health problem has resurfaced painfully, and I'm going to be at the hospital for tests and appts several times this week and probably next week too. I'm likely to be in severe pain for a few weeks. Then I'm on holiday for a week. So I'm going to wait until after the school hols when hopefully I'll be in better health and can do this. Just wanted to come and tell you so you didn't think I was copping out Wink

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow · 24/03/2013 22:24

It never rains but it pours.

Weather is shit
Homeless in less than 3 weeks
In so much debt that can't afford a deposit for a new place
Got paid - half my usual amount
Weather means I haven't been for a run all weekend
GRRRRRRRR

maza66 · 24/03/2013 22:32

bsshbossh thank you I will get a life lol. BTW your looking great, have you lost some weight? Grin

Talkinpeace · 24/03/2013 22:57

Point to ponder ...
people not commenting on weight loss
among my gym friends, several have lost weight while their marriages were breaking up. A couple of friends who noticed me shrinking asked if I was OK.

Personally I'd start the conversation
"gosh I'd love a biscuit - the lovely thing of my new way of eating is that I've lost loads of weight but still get to enjoy myself"

viva
What on earth were you doing eating Weetabix on a fast day - starting the day with full on carbs is BOUND to make you go over 500 ....

((((Serotonin)))) Somehow it will work out OK.

postmanpatscat · 24/03/2013 22:58

sidebar, I hope you're soon recovered and it doesn't spoil your holiday.

maza my spots have cleared up (so far, 5 weeks in). I don't know whether it's the food changes or the array of skincare products in my bathroom. I bought just about everything in the Clean and Clear range and they worked wonders. I know that after spending 2 weeks in Dubai last summer my skin was clear for months, so I tell DP that I need 2 weeks in Dubai at least three times a year to keep my spots away! Trouble is, life rather gets in the way...

postmanpatseasterbunny · 24/03/2013 23:25

Seasonal name change here - now where are those Easter bunny smilies?!

maza66 · 24/03/2013 23:35

postmanpatscat Dubai sounds like a plan !!! can't use the clean n clear range as its too harsh. I seem to be more troubled with dryness and break outs now, although am drinking plenty all of the time. bloody hormones!
sidebar hope it all works out ok for you, not the time to be worrying about fasting though - good luck and hope you have a speedy recovery
seratonin positive vibes to you! really puts everything else into perspective. Whats a few pounds and some spots really? [hugs]

went to supermarket today to stock up on some fasting essentials and clocked the low calorie ready meals : WW and own brand, are they any good? I didn't buy as they look shockingly small (still thinking ginormous portions here) Is there any benefit to them ? and why are they so expensive? Slab of strawberry Vienetta right next to them was one quid!!! so guess what I came home with .....

maza66 · 24/03/2013 23:43

preparing now for the next round of spots.. Oh well

postmanpatseasterbunny · 25/03/2013 00:37

maza just eat real food! A stirfry takes only a few minutes and can really fill you up.

Minimammoth · 25/03/2013 02:56

Marking place. Fasting tomorrow. Am awake at stupid time. Off to sleep

swallowedAfly · 25/03/2013 06:25

serotonin i'm really sorry life is so stressful right now. hope you have a plan.

maza - have you ever tried taking anti histamines for your spots? i started getting outbreaks around 30 and tried all sorts, doctor even gave me this antibiotic stuff in a pot with a roller ball on top that you applied. anyway i started taking anti histamines for sinus allergies and the spots went away. they weren't like normal spots anyway more sore and hive like. turns out it was a skin allergy. i take antihistamines every day now for both sinus and skin allergies (thinking it is dust which is pretty unavoidable) and if i run out or forget for a few days the hive/spots start to come back. may be totally irrelevant to you but if you haven't tried then do for a few weeks and see what happens. i take 10mg of loratidine after much trial and error they worked out the best for skin stuff.

wondering whether i dare brave the scales this morning after a really piggy weekend. best to know where i am i guess so i can see what impact today's fast makes.

swallowedAfly · 25/03/2013 06:35

not as bad as i thought. 11.2.8. 2lbs above last weeks lowest weigh in. i think i may need to do mon, wed and friday this week to try and get back on track and remedy this sudden desire to eat too much rubbish again. i know it's all excuses but i do think it's to do with the weather.

BetsyVanBell · 25/03/2013 06:37

seratonin ((((hugs))))

sidebar good luck with the op and recovery.

maza Lush's Angels on Bare Skin used daily seems to intercept my usually regular zit breakouts. It's nice and gentle, lasts ages and I'm allergic to loads of skin products.

As for people not noticing weightloss try getting a new outfit and hair cut/ wear hair differently plus waiting for spring so can remove all the layers finally!

BetsyVanBell · 25/03/2013 06:38

Sidebar - sorry not op - I mean tests and stuff. Hope you're ok x

BetsyVanBell · 25/03/2013 06:41

SaF it is the bloody weather. How are we supposed to get our workout gear on and not eat comfort foods when we're faced with this endless winter? It amazes me we've done this well! When spring finally surfaces we're all going to want to bounce around like happy lambs and shed that layer of warming fat...