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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Diet Thread! Number sweet 16!

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/03/2013 20:05

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
TheEarlyBird · 24/03/2013 12:31

Viva you must be a S&B poster then, my other habitat Blush. Sorry .......

Iwearblack · 24/03/2013 12:39

Not posted recently as don't have much to add! Still a devotee of 5:2 (over 6 months now) and like others have said I feel my tastes have changed. Have a thing for mackerel now (never liked it before) and I just can't eat as much as I used to so portion control in check. Still eating biscuits , takeaways, crisps etc just not as often or as much. People at work are amazed as they have only known me as being a bit overweight ....

My profile has a graph showing weightloss for any newbies - lots of plateaus but a downward trend. Had a sneaky WI yesterday and may have broken the 11 stone barrier but not official until Tuesday!

Don't know whether this is connected with this WOE but my premenstrual symptoms of sore boobs and stomach ache have disappeared these last 4 months - the only way I know my period is due is when it starts! (should pay more attention to the calendar as they are very regular).

Fasting was ok at the beginning but it was tough. Now it is much easier and just feels 'normal'. The recipe link is very useful - thanks for all who have posted here.

Any lurkers thinking about taking the plunge - go for it! It's not bonkers; it's brill!

VivaLeBeaver · 24/03/2013 12:40

I do go into s&b a bit. One reason I need to lose weight as I'm creeping into a size 18 which making clothes shopping hard!

Southeastdweller · 24/03/2013 12:44

viva I'm also a carb fiend and if it's any comfort then I'd like you to know that I've lost 7lbs in eight weeks doing this.

Good luck today and everyone else fasting. Let us know how you get on.

tomorrowweeat · 24/03/2013 13:02

Am really struggling with "normal" eating. I am fine on fast days but years of dieting have left me with no idea of how to eat on a normal day. Does anyone know of any links/suggestions to a weekly healthyish meal planner?

postmanpatscat · 24/03/2013 13:04

Iwearblack TOTM started suddenly for me this morning, hadn't noticed it approaching at all! Hoping I'm having a pre-menstrual gain too so I can have a good number on the scales after fasting tomorrow!

silverbeetle · 24/03/2013 13:45

tomorrowweeat what exactly are you struggling with, is it portion size or types of food?

One thing I have found really helps is to eat whatever you like for breakfast, lunch and dinner but absolutely no snacking in between, not even the odd oven chip left over from the kids dinner, or a bit of broken biscuit left in the tin.

I always have a low cal pudding as well, usually low fat greek yogurt and a piece of fruit, or a sugar free jelly with a couple of dessert spoons of greek yogurt on top (makes me think I'm eating trifle). This seems to satisfy any sweet cravings and makes me feel nice and full.

swallowedAfly · 24/03/2013 15:10

i am going to pay for this weekend. my excuses are SNOW, snow and more snow. bored of winter now. stuck in house bored and doing chores is leading to wine and wine is leading to eating etc.

someone please remind me that winter cannot last forever?

ELR · 24/03/2013 15:29

Winter can not last forever!

Talkinpeace · 24/03/2013 16:41

Greetings all.
For those feeling that their posts can get ignored, this thread is running at nearly 100 posts a day - I can skim and pick up on a few points but I'd be here all day replying to all.

fasting foods for in the office
To be honest, my solution is to do a proper fast when I'm desk bound.
Mug after mug of tea but no food and than LASHINGS of soup when I get home.
That way its quite easy to hit the 24 hour gaps, the regular fluids stop your tummy rumbling - and the long 24 hour fasts even for me (low BMI) result in 1-2 lb weight loss at a time !

aftereights
Holey moley fanoley. Well done.
Yup, Laska is still around, but not often - she pops up on the Maintaining thread sometimes. She'll be back more after Easter.

swallowedAfly · 24/03/2013 17:29

back to the painful children's eating habits - tonight i fancy making fried rice. so i have the rice cooker on and baby sweetcorn and mange tout on the steamer layer above the rice. i will then give ds rice, veg and a pan scrambled egg. then i will use that pan to make myself fried egg and vegetable rice with added thai chilli oil and soy sauce. i'll then sit down at the table with him to eat and will still finish before him he's so slow.

haven't had fried rice in ages and really fancy it.

i am going to really need my fasts this week.

Dotty342kids · 24/03/2013 17:45

Blimey, it's been busy since I logged in last, yesterday lunchtime Grin!
Anyway, hello to all new people, I can't namecheck you all as there seems to be lots of you de-lurking / joining but it's great to hear about such a breadth of experience, losses and ideas.

We had friends over for dinner last night so ate and drank way too much. Decided to fast today as a recover so have just eaten Sunday dinner of roast chicken (just some breast, no skin), two roast potatoes and an absolute mountain of vegetables. I know that comes in at just around 550 cals but goodness, I feel stuffed to the brim! I should have stopped and left some on the plate but old habits die hard.

After seeing 11st 1 last week on post fast day weigh ins my body seems determind to return up to 11st 3 every other day, which is where I've been for about three weeks now. It's frustrating as that puts my total loss at approx 7lbs in 7wks - or 5lbs if you take my higher reading as the normal one.
I'd like to get it all going down again so this week am fasting today, Tues and Thurs. And maybe again Sat as straight after Easter I'm going away with my mum and the kids for a few days and just won't be able to do any fast days. So, I want to see some loss before we go!

Good luck to all the usual Monday fasters. I'm normally one but will be in meetings tomorrow with plates of sandwiches in front of me and I am not going to kid myself that I can resist!

maza66 · 24/03/2013 17:47

Struggling today !!! and only have a few (4) pounds to go, it sounds totally superficial but no one has noticed that I have dropped nearly 1 stone and am stupidly demoralised because of that. So this is a bit of a self indulgent moan, sorry folks
ararucker I totally agree about the taste buds wakening up again, and that is a great motivator - I am shovelling in the spices as someone posted that they are no cals earlier in this thread and am now tasting everything! Really missing bread though, mmmm baguettes especially. having a chicken casserole then off to yoga tonight. Proper fast day tomorrow though. Good luck this week folks

VivaLeBeaver · 24/03/2013 17:54

Well I've failed today.

I've had,

Two weetabix with a splash of milk, very small splash....they were still crunchy.
A muller light yoghurt
A rice crispie square
A small fruit scone with low fat spread
Two pears
Salmon with a small bit of pesto and a load of sweetcorn.

So more like about 800-900 calories instead of 500.

frenchfancy · 24/03/2013 17:55

maza are you still wearing the same clothes? I found people only noticed the weight loss once I bought new clothes. This is especially true if you are still wearing winter stuff.

frenchfancy · 24/03/2013 17:59

viva not a failure just a step on the learning curve. You may find it easier if you cut out refined carbs and sugar on fast days they tend to make one hungrier. Rice crispy squares and fruit scones are best saved for non fast days. Remember you can always eat it tomorrow.

artemis17 · 24/03/2013 18:03

SaF gotta say a big thanks for the beans and low fat philly idea Thanks its delicious and that particular brand allows the whole tin!.

Also glad a few others have "helped" BMJ with reminding her of her contradicting posts Wink . Looking back over the last few threads, it seems every so often she'll post to slightly antagonise or throw in some off the beaten tract comment, so facts and support is given, then she disappears again.
Anyway im sure its not the last we'll hear from her and i guess it gives us all unity while reading at home....

BsshBossh · 24/03/2013 18:04

Please keep posting everyone, even if your posts rarely get a response - it's a very busy thread. I post, rarely make have the time to respond to others, rarely get responses to my own posts but I continue to post because I know people are reading and I like sharing my experiences of this WOE. I love reading each and every post myself.

BsshBossh · 24/03/2013 18:11

maza66 I've lost 4 stones and there are still people I see and speak to every day who haven't said a word about my weight loss! It's not demoralising for me because it's my journey, not their's, simple as that. I figure many people don't think about weight and don't notice it in others, or they don't want to mention it to me because then it would mean they'd noticed I was once fat, or my clothes hide the loss somewhat, or they're completely immersed in their own lives to notice or, or, or... Shrug.

swallowedAfly · 24/03/2013 18:14

glad to help artemis Smile -280cals for a whole can is great imo.

maza it could be the winter clothes thing. we're all bundled up these days.

VivaLeBeaver · 24/03/2013 18:14

frenchfancy. I'm sure you're right about it been a learning curve. I was just so bloody hungry. Grin

Hopefully though I will get used to eating less. If I don't I'm going to have to get a gastric band!

VivaLeBeaver · 24/03/2013 18:16

What's the beans and Philly thing? Is it baked beans?

swallowedAfly · 24/03/2013 18:47

yes - sounds grim i know viva but i don't eat all day on a fast day but like to go to bed full and have found beans work. HP have the best calorie count.

VivaLeBeaver · 24/03/2013 18:52

Mmmm, I can't stand baked beans but I do like Philly. Not sure about it but I can see how they'd fill you up well.

NurseEzzzaChapel · 24/03/2013 19:07

Bssh I think you might be right about people being hesitant to say they've noticed the weight loss because of not wanting to imply they'd noticed the weight gain. I think that's true in my case. I moved to this city 5 years ago and have been around the same weight the whole time I've been here but a year or two ago ballooned due to illness. I've now lost that stone and a half and am back down to what people here think is normal for me. I've had one or two people say they've noticed but I think most are avoiding saying 'you've lost weight' as that would mean implying they'd noticed the ballooning. When I got back from my 6 months on this WoE in China, one guy said "you're looking well, I mean, really well. I won't ask the obvious question." I knew he meant the 'have you lost weight?' question. Perhaps if I lose the other stone and a half I have to go to reach goal people will be more willing to admit they've noticed as then I will be slimmer than they've ever seen me rather than just back down to what I was before.

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