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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Diet Thread! Number sweet 16!

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/03/2013 20:05

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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Breadandwine · 26/03/2013 12:16

Good job I took another look at the thread before posting!

I was going to say exactly the same as you, Spiral!

The only thing I would add is that, on a MacBook so can't speak for PCs, control G and the 'Enter' button perform the same function - the cursor goes to the next searched for item. And if you press the shift button at the same time, you can go backwards up the thread.

It's a bit convoluted, but it works for me! Smile

Itsaboatjack · 26/03/2013 12:25

Morning all,

Welcome to all the newbies and delurkers

I'm doing my 2nd fast day in row and going for 24hrs. I'm determined not to let the cold beat me today so I am layered up like the Michelin Man.

My bras are stating to get too big now too, I've gone from the last set of hooks to the tightest. I may have to go on a shopping spree soon Grin

One of the best things I love about this thread is the links people put on here, I watched the Horizon one last night 'why thin people are not fat'. Bit depressing the bit about your body having a set weight it tries to get back too :( but then I was thinking there was the link ages ago about plateaus so hopefully that means the plateaus are helping reset the 'set weight' if that makes sense.

greenfig · 26/03/2013 12:32

Happy anniversary sweetkitty! What a rotten start to it for you though.
Well I can honestly say I'm loving this woe. After my blip last week I'm down this am to last summers breif low weight of 9.3 1/2! It's not my 'official' weigh day so I expect to bounce around about but it has been totally pain free as nothing has been restricted & I've really not even found it difficult-hurrah!!
Amazing what a loss can do to lift the spirits even in this cold weatherGrin
I admit to feeling a little despondant after a 5lb gain last weekConfused If I have any more losses I will be my lowest in over 10years I thinkShock
B&W thought of you last night as DH was keeping up with the scores at some ungodly hour!

Treacleq · 26/03/2013 12:36

Thanks for the tips! :)

LaurieFairyCake · 26/03/2013 12:46

I've just had the bliss of ordering a Meg Rivers Simnel cake and a Chococo Easter Chocolate Biscuit Cake plus 3 large chocolate eggs.

The utter amazingness of getting to eat my favourite Easter foods without guilt has me rubbing my hands in glee Grin

Fasting today so will now stop thinking about food as my tummy just grumbled at this post

plecofjustice · 26/03/2013 12:52

Well, a consecutive fast obviously paid off, 400g down on last week, 7.2 kilos in total since last September

sweetkitty · 26/03/2013 13:10

Thank you greenfig he seems on the mend now fingers crossed.

I had 3 cookies earlier and felt guilt free for having them, I have a habit of not eating then eating rubbish especially chocolate so can have 4 choc biscuits and nothing else for lunch, I reckon I don't drink enough liquids during the day as well so this really is a new WOE for me, plan is to lose half a stone on 5.2 then go to 6.1 for maintaining that's the plan anyway Wink

Dotty342kids · 26/03/2013 13:42

spiralskies it's got to warm up a bit, surely?! I need to hunt out some thermal leggings.....

SpiralSkies · 26/03/2013 13:46

Blimmin well hope so Dotty. Mind you, just think how many more calories we'll use up with all the shivering... more snow forecast and wind chill factor of -7. Ugh.

SaltyandSweet · 26/03/2013 13:57

Hello everyone, I'm a very occasional poster, mainly because I don't think I have much tips to offer but thought I'd share a little today. I'm doing 4:3 because I have quite a bit to lose and have a patience problem Smile. After losing just under a stone super quick (in my first 4 weeks), things have slowed all the way down. I think it's because for the last two weekends in a row, I've splurged on both days, all self control out the window. Resulting in me gaining 2 lbs. I live in Switzerland and we have planned a road trip to Paris for the upcoming Easter weekend so add that to the extra 2 lbs and I've decided to try my first ever consecutive fast - did one yesterday and on another today. I don't feel hungry at all, but do feel a bit weird and very much food obsessed (have spent much of the day looking at food websites).

I am hoping that fasting yesterday, today and again on Thursday before our trip will kick start weight loss, help with my willpower and ensure I don't gain over the trip. I'm asking a lot I know!!

storminabuttercup · 26/03/2013 14:06

Hi all, I'm just trying to catch up with the thread, couple more pounds off last week so that's 10lb in 3 weeks which im over the moon with, fast day today and I'm struggling, I've got tonsillitis and I'm on anti biotics so feeling very sorry for myself, also due to prior arrangements I will only fit in one fast this week so need to make it a good one.

Doesn't help that I've just been in home bargains and they have mini eggs for 49p and 8 cream eggs for a pound! I did consider eating 500 cal worth of chocolate today but I think that would be missing the point.

To break the fast I have a weight watchers pasta bake 248 cals, a salad bowl maybe 60 cal (just leaves and peppers) and a danio yoghurt at 128 cals

I've just had half a cuppa soup, so 30 cals ish, wish i hadn't bothered it was awful

GreenEggsAndNichts · 26/03/2013 14:06

Salty I did the same, 4:3 for quite a while. It does sometimes help to change things up a bit, do 5:2 one week and maybe 4:3 the next.

Just keep busy! Two fast days in a row is hardcore, but if you must.. Grin I know some of the researchers did it that way, as well. MM only advised otherwise because he knew it would be easier for most folks to break up the fast days a bit.

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SaltyandSweet · 26/03/2013 14:22

GreenEggs It is very hardcore and to be honest I don't think I'll be doing consecutive fast days very often! 4:3 works for me (Mon, Wed and Fri with a "splurge" day if wanted on Saturday, and eating to my TDEE all other days) and since I started off that way it's begun to feel quite normal though two in a row really is harder. I must remember not to overcompensate tomorrow!

BsshBossh · 26/03/2013 14:40

Regarding the holidays

I'm a bit apprehensive about Easter too. We have a house full of guests and chocolate but I still want to fast and/or calorie restrict. I actually lost 2 lbs over Christmas because, though I ate whatever I wanted, I calorie restricted to around 10% of my TDEE and that was sufficient to do the job. So I could always default to that again. I do enjoy my fast though so I might still try and fast on Easter Monday and just be stern with anyone who tries to derail me Grin.

storminabuttercup · 26/03/2013 14:56

Bssh, do you mean 10% less than your TDDE without fasting? I'm fasting today then next Tuesday, really worrying that I won't lose, restricting cals seems like a good idea.

Itsaboatjack · 26/03/2013 16:12

Argh. Work is really dragging today and I'm feeling like I want to eat. I'm not especially hungry, It's just that nagging feeling of wanting to munch on something. Another hour to get through then I'll be busy with school pick up and brownies and so will be distracted until its time for dinner.

I can make it.

tomorrowweeat · 26/03/2013 16:58

Keep going Itsa - nearly there :)

Dotty342kids · 26/03/2013 17:30

I just had a bite of my DS's Crunchie bar, first thing past my lips today and boy it tasted good! Squash and lentil Thai curry + chapatti for my dinner in an hour or so. Oh, am going to enjoy it Grin

NurseEzzzaChapel · 26/03/2013 18:00

Treacleq, I changed my MN settings so that my posts are a different colour to everyone else's on my screen. I find that makes finding my last post easier.

BetsyVanBell · 26/03/2013 18:24

Treacleq Ezzza ...whereas mumsnet seems to have changed my settings so this thread (and the maintainers one) no longer appears in my "threads I'm on list" Shock Have I been kicked out the club I wonder? I mean, I know I failed yesterday's fast but come on!

Didn't attempt a fast today but have a decent normal eating day and planning to fast properly and even exercise (yay!) tomorrow.

I'm not going to attempt to fast on hols but I've a feeling I won't be over-eating like I usually do while I'm away as I fill up so quick so will resume IF when I get back.

headintheclouds · 26/03/2013 18:51

Can I be really nosy and ask the people who have been doing this for a while and are happy with their weight how long it took them to reach that 'goal'. Im 5 ft 3 started at 11 st 2 and want to be 9 st 7. ive been doing this WOE for 8 weeks now ,love it and am sticking to it religiously .2 fasts a Week Mon/ Thurs and never go over my TDEE on the other 5 days. But Im not happy with how slow it seems to be to achieve losses. ive lost 7 lbs in total .I weigh after 2nd fast of week,but it just seems to be bouncing up and down ( but up more than down).i seem to drop a lb then lose nothing ,then drop a lb etc. its so frustrating.. Am I just being impatient..I want fast results Do you think its a realistic expectation to lose another 16 lbs by my summer hols in August?
I expect Ill be told to stop obsessing over the scales and enjoy the health benefits but Id be grateful for some wise words from 'old timers'Grin

Talkinpeace · 26/03/2013 19:03

headintheclouds
I lost a stone in a term. Then another three pounds in the next two months (plus what I'd put on over Christmas)
Am debating whether to drop another few pounds - but will wait till the weather warms up before trying!

frenchfancy · 26/03/2013 19:24

Long term my avrrage loss is about 1lb per week, which seems about average. I'm perfectly happy with this as I see it as a long term way of life. Quick fix diets tend to be unsustainable and cause yo-yoing IMO

BetsyVanBell · 26/03/2013 19:32

How do people devise their goal weights? This is not just aimed at you headintheclouds btw! I'm genuinely interested at people's 'magic number'. Is it based on BMI or a previous weight that you aspire to be? I don't have a goal in mind - initially I suppose it was just to be clinically 'normal' rather than 'overweight' but now I'm not sure. I'd be content to stay as I am tbh though I'm intrigued to see if I can lose the fat thighs ever!

Talkinpeace · 26/03/2013 19:34

Betsy
9st : When I did WW years ago, that was what I got down to after six months of slog - and pictures taken then show it suited me.
Am now below that, but being that bit older, being a bit lighter suits better.
When the weather warms up I'll try out 8st7 for a bit and see how it goes.
10st at the end of last summer did NOT look good!

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