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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Diet Thread! Number sweet 16!

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/03/2013 20:05

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
akarucker · 26/03/2013 08:20

Never in a billion years did I ever think I would be someone who would look forward to a fast day. Before I started this six weeks ago, I read through all these posts and thought that the people doing this WOE must just be wired differently to me, because there's no way I could ever manage a day without food. No way! But, this is my 21st fast day and I was looking forward to it yesterday, and I'm glad it's here today. Don't get me wrong, I'm also really l

tracedw · 26/03/2013 08:20

Just to add, i only fasted on the day we travelled on hols and on the day we returned home.

akarucker · 26/03/2013 08:21

...looking forward to my eat day tomorrow. I just wanted to let anyone who's thinking that they can't start this because fast days are too daunting, that they get so much easier and, yes, you may even start to enjoy them! Unbelievable!

akarucker · 26/03/2013 08:22

...sorry, pressed the wrong button so the above posts are in two separate parts.

swallowedAfly · 26/03/2013 08:24

-1 here - i'm actually jealous of 2degrees!!

ComeTalkToMe · 26/03/2013 08:28

Hi,

Thought I had an awful fast day yesterday but just added it up and it was about 550, which isn't too bad. The New York Deli - Skinny Chicken Minestrone is a lifesaver, very chunky and yummy.

Had a good run this morning, 10k training bang on track. Thinking about getting Jillian Michael's Body Conditioning programme but it's very expensive!

HopAndEggRoll · 26/03/2013 08:56

Hi all. It's my first fast day today. I take it I can drink water until I break my fast with food later? I'm going to see how long I can go before eating my boiled eggs and apple but I'm parched so will be having a glass of water. I also have fruit tea and Pepsi max in the cupboard as I figure I could try one of those before I eat if I feel hungry (I know diet drinks are contentious but its a WOL and I love them, don't drink alcohol and don't smoke so I can have one bad thing in my life Grin )

mehefin · 26/03/2013 09:12

HopandEggRoll Drink loads of water while you are fasting I have become very fond of hot water.

Very energetic feel to this thread this morning but I'm off to bed soon

tomorrowweeat · 26/03/2013 09:36

Well done to all yesterday's fasters (including me!) - enjoy your meals today. I find I really do after a day's fast. Makes you appreciate your food more I think.

And good luck to the uesday fasters :)

tomorrowweeat · 26/03/2013 09:36

*Tuesday!

sweetkitty · 26/03/2013 09:38

Good luck to all the fasters today, don't think I could ever manage 2 fast days in a row.

Erik - I'm on a feast day today enjoyed my toast this morning, I have been up since before 5am so needed it.

emily1001 · 26/03/2013 09:46

Hello, just a wee question, I'd love to give 5:2 a go for the health benefits but at 5'3 and 7 and a half stone, would this still be beneficial to me or am I too light? I obviously don't want to lose weight but would like to enjoy the other benefits that come with this WOE.

GreenEggsAndNichts · 26/03/2013 09:59

emily we have a few people on the thread who aren't trying to lose anymore, I'm sure they'll be along to give you some tips! But yes, it does seem to be sustainable for them. If you find you lose weight you might want to just try one fast a week and see how that goes for you.

Okay, am fasting today after yesterdays truncated fast. I think I've come to terms with mum going home, as much as I can be anyway! I've got to wait for the BT man to show up and otherwise entertain DS who is still home with chicken pox. I think he can go to nursery tomorrow, though, which will be great for all of us. Wink

Also, doing the food shop online on a fast day isn't the smartest thing in the world!

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SlipperyNipple · 26/03/2013 10:20

Hi I'm new. Been doing 5:2 for about a month with a break last week for holiday.

So with regards to holiday fasting, I fasted on the Sunday before we went and then just didn't bother while we were on holiday. Now after I've come back after my fast yesterday I am at a new low. So I think holidays should just be for relaxing myself.

I've lost somewhere between 4 and 6 pounds so far depending on the day. I do have a lot to lose and I'm interested in the health benefits. I did go to my doctor for another reason before I started and after blood test he said I was perfectly healthy even carrying 4.5 stone more than I should. So to be honest it is losing weight that is my prime objective.

I would describe myself with slight compulsive eating issues and I know that it's not been recommended for people like that but I have actually found it very helpful. I'm understanding what hunger is. I'm eating a bit less on most non-fast days and sometimes splurging a bit but then just relaxing about it. I used to really feel depressed about an overheating event and then that would lead to a cycle of bingeing. That has stopped.

It is early days but I just want to say this WOL has been a revelation to me so far. I had got to point where I had tried every diet I could think of and was seriously lost and hopeless. I now have hope. That's huge for me.

Anyway this thread is great and really supportive. It really helps me.

mummyof2girlsx · 26/03/2013 10:29

SlipperyNipple Well done on your weight loss so far! I too find that this WOL has helped control my appetite and I am finding that I am eating less on non-fast days as I am feeling full more quickly.

Of course I do still have the odd day of overeating but not to worry a fast day will sort that out Grin

Treacleq · 26/03/2013 10:40

Hi all!

Slippery I think I have quite similar issues - good to know there are others here with quite a bit to loose - I've got three stone to go! But yes, it's been a revelation to me too!

Had a fast day yesterday, was a bit odd! I got home and had made it on nothing but coffee all day - had been saving myself for a lush celeriac risotto I had made the previous night, so had that and then just wanted to carry on eating :( I got a bread roll with some pate but then only ate about a quarter of it - think I just managed about 600 cals in the end so not too much damage done!

I'm hoping for a bit of weight loss this week after a pound on last week, it is becoming a true WOL for me now on my forth week :)

Two questions if anyone can help - How do I find my way back to my last post on here? Is there a link I can go straight to rather than scrolling back trying to find my place?

Also - I have difficulty working out calories at home - even using MFP I still find it hard to work out home made meals - risotto above for example! I end up kind of guessing and using something already logged in MFP that I hope is about the similar calories?

Sorry for the long post! Hope everyone has a lovely bank holiday weekend!

SlipperyNipple · 26/03/2013 10:50

Thanks Mummy and Treacleq.

I use the MFP recipe maker to work out stuff that I cook often. Have you tried that?

I don't know how to get back to my last place in a thread but would like to know.

FastFeeder · 26/03/2013 11:04

Treacleq the Calorie Count recipe analyser is the best tool I've found online for counting calories in home made food - it produces a little nutritional panel for each serving, too.

monster54 · 26/03/2013 11:05

Fast went Ok yesterday, I finished on 483. I felt energised this morning when DC woke at 6am!!! And now I'm beginning to flag.....

I did have a peek on the scales and I'm a pound above my low last week and thats to be expected I did binge a fair bit at the weekend, so still a few days to try and get some of that off.

What are peoples plans over Easter??? I'm thinking my mini fast Fri is going to be a challenge and my full fast Monday!!!

Eeeekkkkk!!!

Dotty342kids · 26/03/2013 11:24

I'm away on hols from Mon - Fri next week. It's an active holiday in the Lakes so plan to be doing fair bit of walking (well as much as kids will allow!) so really can't see fasting as being an option as will need to have at least lunch and dinner. Might miss some breakfasts out though and am going to try to fast on the day we drive up! To allow for Easter day chocs plus the holiday the plan is to alternate day fast this week instead. Then I can relax and enjoy those days guilt free!

HopAndEggRoll · 26/03/2013 11:46

Just ate my eggs and apple. Didn't really need them but had to explain to my 4yo this morning why I wasn't having breakfast (not growing) and he wanted an early lunch and he looked very sad and asked "mummy, you are having lunch aren't you?"

I'm working my fast days for the rest of the holidays and I've purposefully ensured by fast days are part of my working week so this situation will be avoided going forward. I have probably broken all sorts of rules eating this early and its only my first fast Blush.

Talkinpeace · 26/03/2013 11:48

Emily1001
Unless your frame is really tiny you have no weight to lose, so the way to enjoy the health benefits of fasting is to do a fast - like everybody else is - but NOT do the calorie restricted meals.
You will in fact not eat as much after a fast but your appetite will regulate you across the week.
And the insulin and fat metabolising and clear thought pattern come in after about 16 hours without food, regardless of what you eat at the end of the 24 hours.

SpiralSkies · 26/03/2013 11:59

Ooh, Dotty, I'm in the Lake District too next week. Just ordering fleece-lined trousers and pretending not to look at pub menus!!

To those asking how to find your place on the thread, I click the 'show all messages' thing at the bottom of the page. You can then simply hit control F and search for your username...

ElizaCBennett · 26/03/2013 12:07

treacle if you go to the Threads page and click on I'm on it will take you to all threads you have contributed to. This will help you find your place

postmanpatseasterbunny · 26/03/2013 12:12

Easter plans...moving Thursday's fast to tomorrow. It's my birthday on Friday and I have cakes etc for work, Thursday is the last working day so if I fast I can't eat my own goodies! Definitely not fasting on my birthday although as it's Good Friday I don't want to go too mad. Saturday will be a sensible day and I already have a peanut M&Ms egg ready for Sunday - my favourite! (But I don't eat those 'family' bags by myself any more)