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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Diet Thread: Part Four! Sit down, have a cuppa..

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 20/09/2012 22:36

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet. Both are two versions of Intermittent Fasting, which you can read more about here.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon recently, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like. Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average, on those days.

Here is a list of the links we've gathered so far about this diet. I hope I haven't left many out, but it was a 40 page thread! This is a good start for anyone, though:

First things first, here is a link to our previous thread, which we've outgrown. Lots of good support and ideas still to be found there. Here is the thread before that..

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

is a link to the first part of the aforementioned Horizon, subsequent parts of that episode are linked on that page.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Important link if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

And for those already fasting, here is a link to 100 snacks under 100 calories. :)

Another food link, here is a link to the BBC Goof Food site, with a list of low-calorie soups.

We often mention basal metabolic rate (BMR) here. This refers to the amount of energy (calories) a person uses when at rest; so, the basic number of calories a person needs to stay the same weight. This number is often quoted as being 2000 calories for the "average" woman, but of course is different depending on how tall you are, how much you weigh, etc. Here is a calculator which will easily help you to find out what your BMR is.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are new to this diet. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous thread, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting them all in one post this afternoon. wink

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
worldcitizen · 24/09/2012 16:58

LookBehindyou I don't think you have hijacked anything , rather the oppositeSmile
And it's totally understandable and more than okay to say it's not for me or not for me right now....

Lotsofcake · 24/09/2012 17:00

World, I think I may have mentioned the hairy dieters before but I can highly recommend their cookbook. It's got some fab low cal curry recipes. I tried the chicken korma on Friday and it was delicious and only 300 calories per portion. In the past I have adapted other curry recipes by using quark or low fat yogurt instead of cream and reducing oil content with good success.
Congrats to everyone, it sounds like most people are doing really well. I weighed myself this morning and I've lost 6.5lbs in my first week. I probably have more to lose than most though as I need to lose about 2.5 stone to get back to 'healthy' BMI and 4 stone to get to where I want to be. I'm fasting today and finding it tough due to TOTM which also came as a surprise as have not long finished bfeeding. Have found some hazelnuts in my baking cupboard which are making it easier!

worldcitizen · 24/09/2012 17:10

Lotsofcake no haven't heard this, but if I would catch up with previous threads and beginning of this one, instead of posting..well then I would know more ha ha ha
Thanks, I love curries and Thai food etc....

RightBuggerforGOLD · 24/09/2012 18:00

Orthodox Christians have 4 periods of fasting during the year, the 2 long ones are advent and lent. They also fast on Wednesdays and Fridays every week. The fasting is no meat, dairy, eggs, fish or alcohol, so in effect this would in all probability cut down on calories as a result of that restriction. It is also a time of prayer and almsgiving. Hope that helps (somehow!) x

Lotsofcake · 24/09/2012 18:17

World, check the bbc website as some of their recipes from the series are on line, that way you can try before you buy. By the way, I hadn't refreshed my page and hadn't realised I was soooo way behind!

mommybunny · 24/09/2012 18:29

Thanks for explanation rightbugger. Conflicts though with image I have of fat Russian grannies Wink.

worldcitizen · 24/09/2012 18:38

rightbugger thanks for further explanation, well this is sort of a 5:2 as well isn't it, also what's left is grains, legumes, fruit and vegetables, right?! Sounds like something helping the body to "repair" and not have so much of the food which needs longer to digest such as meat, for example. Sounds very reasonable...
lotsofcake thanks againSmile

HappyOrchid · 24/09/2012 19:47

Week 8 -First fast day. Prolly best fast day so far. Had a chicken stock cube for lunch and then same tea as DH, but small (calorie counted, but don't tell DH) portion.

Weighed in this morning, and exactly same weight as last week, but have had 3 eating and drinking too much wine. So would prolly normally expect to have gained.

Hopefully have a normal week planned and will fast M / W / F and hope to see better results on next Mondays weigh in.

Hmmm now what to eat tomorrow - choices, choices Smile

HappyOrchid · 24/09/2012 19:47

have had 3 days of eating and drinking

Thina · 24/09/2012 20:01

Ok, so didn't do too badly today, am over the 500 but it's not the end of the world, as Mommybunny just said, it's got be be a do-able WOE.

I needed something this afternoon, so had some carrot batons and a bit of houmous, then I made stuffed pointed peppers ... Stuffed with vegetables and couscous and some red chilli. More veg in mine, more couscous in the family's portions. Glad my halo was shining brightly earlier, it's gone a bit dingey now lol Hmm

mistlethrush · 24/09/2012 20:02

I have stuffed myself with a large salad tonight. Pretty certain all under 500...

Thelittlestranger · 24/09/2012 20:35

I've come in under 500 today, and feeling virtuous. Although, I didn't make it to aerobics tonight as my hip has been giving me some grief today and I didn't want to push it. I went on sat and sun, so don't feel too bad...

I'll satisfy myself with a cup of tea later, and look forward to breakfast tomorrow.

It does sound like there are a lot of plus 45 on this thread...I'm 35, and seemed to be experiencing some success with it.

I hav found that when i've mentioned this WOE to people, initially they're shocked. But when I ask them if they ever skip meals, they always do (if they're slim). For the first time ever, I'm not just eating breakfast or lunch, because it's breakfast or lunch time. I'm eating when I'm hungry. What an eye opener...kind of ridiculous really....

Skinnyeye · 24/09/2012 20:36

Week 4 fast day 1 and it has gone very well. Had some carrot and parsnip soup for lunch and www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/1658643/thai-spiced-turkey-patties-with-noodle-salad for dinner. Weighed in this morning and had put on a pound last week!! Not too disheartened because I feel I'm losing inches if not weight.

Skinnyeye · 24/09/2012 20:50

BMI has come down from 29 to 27. Still in the overweight category but heading in the right direction. I'm 43 by the way

GreenEggsAndNichts · 24/09/2012 21:20

I'm 35. I'm just going to say that while I can; I turn 36 in a week. Grin

Honestly, I was thinking this over on my walk home today, and I am just so ridiculously pleased with this WOE. I've really enjoyed this experience so far. I honestly don't feel deprived, yes by the end of fast days I might be planning the next night's dinner, but it's because I'm enjoying cooking more now that I don't have restrictions on what I can use.

So pleased. Today is the end of my eating day, back to fasting tomorrow. Looking forward to it. :)

OP posts:
rachelblythe · 24/09/2012 21:46

Greeneggs, I feel exactly the same.I was telling my neighbours about it at the weekend when we were out for a slap up 3 course meal. I feel totally liberated, and ecstatic that I find the woe so enjoyable. I never felt like this about a diet in the past, they were never sustainable and there was always some sort of guilt linked to when I would eat something 'nice'. Not with this woe (not a diet!).
Oh, and maybe I'm one of the babies of the group at the tender age of 27! Not had that novelty for a looong time :)
Been a fast day for me.didn't plan what I was having and ended up with some pretty boring meal choices.still totally manageable, just not as enjoyable and tasty as some previous fast days. Not hungry now, so going to bed before it decides to make an appearance

Thelittlestranger · 24/09/2012 22:07

Have to agree. Yes, I'm only going in to my 4th week, but I'm not counting the days to the weekend binge fest, like I did on WW and I'm not feeling deprived.

BettyButterknife · 24/09/2012 22:29

Week 3, fast day 1, all good - jacket spud with beans and salad for lunch, soup for supper. Done :)

GreenEggs thanks for your reply. Trying to calculate bmr now, can't decide whether my exercise level is light (1-3 exercise sessions a week) or moderate (3-5). I do 3x circuit training sessions plus walk 2 miles to work twice a day, 3x a week. Which would you opt for? There's a 200 cal difference!

BelinaTheChicken · 25/09/2012 07:42

BettyButterknife I'd say that was moderate, but don't hold me to it, I opted for light and I only really manage 2 x tae bo DVDs a week as officially exercise, though have an active job and two small children to chase so I wasn't sure.

Eating day for me, fast yesterday went well, noodle soup again at 250cal, and got the rest of my 500 calories from bloody coffee mate. I swear, I will use the tub I have up and not buy any more. Honest.

Laska42 · 25/09/2012 09:05

belina re coffee mate ..can you save it for feast days only and give green tea or black coffee a go on fast days.? or maybe go cold turkey on it and try and change your coffee habits ?. Before you shudder.. i don't know what type you drink (instant or real) but i've managed to go from coffee with milk to coffee without by cutting out instant coffee all together and by only having 'real coffee' made in a cafetiere..

I originally did this (a few years ago)because i was working in an office where coffee was always on the go and I realised I was having around 9 mugs of instant a day!!(and getting heart palpitations also ) Shock .But although its hard to start with ,I found that you get used to it really quickly and somehow real coffee seems to 'hit the spot' better, and i now only (well mainly!) have two cups a of black coffee a day now (green or mint tea the rest of the time..
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Just a suggestion to get the coffeemate intake down ,if, as you say, you are using a lot of extra calories up in it, and I think rather than going for skim milk instead (which wont taste so good if you like coffeemate) you try for a complete coffee-habit change.. however' real black coffee is also addictive, but I cant drink so much or i get the shakes!! (also its expensive so that's a disincentive also )

BTW probably not relevant to you, but i'm sure I read somewhere that things like starbucks lattes etc can be mega-huge in calories .. ( luckily I rarely get near a coffee outlet these days)

hoops997 · 25/09/2012 09:10

Well, week 1 done I fasted tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and yesterday and I've lost 5lb Smile

The fasting days are getting easier and my skin is becoming clear, I think that's due to my water intake.

I love the WOE and wish I'd found it sooner!

Laska42 · 25/09/2012 09:15

greeneggs and rachel me also! it already feels like a radical change for me after only a month .. I cant see me changing back to any other WOE now..

looks like its more veg curry for me today .. (and i've had some for breakfast!! Yes I'm totally gross..I know Smile) .. but that's probably it until dinnertime now .. I think it might be an eating day again yesterday I seemed to be hungry all day .. but think I was just cold and it was a food day, but actually I mainly ate the curry but not rice etc ..

Its lucky I live on my own during the week eh? (and also that I'm not in the office either - more working at home sitting at the computer report writing all day again ),..

worldcitizen · 25/09/2012 09:35

Hello everyone,
Starbucks is the evilAngry, especially the Caramel Frappuccinos I usd to drink and had no clue that they had nearly 1000 calories apparently, and that the sugar and syrup just made me gain around 12-12 kg, so nearly 2 stone in less than a year!!!!
I was also one could say addicted to coffee (real one) and black tea with milk and sugar, which turned after a few years into having to have 3-4 teaspoons of sugar in one mug Shock Yes I am really too embarrassed to admitBlush.

I moved house at the beginning of August and had to do bug grocery shopping for fridge and cupboard and simply didn't buy any sugar. That's it. never used again, stopped drinking coffee alltogether and would only have a small cup (black and no sugar) or an espresso here there if invited somewhere.
Started drinking Earl Grey instead of the other kind I used to like, as Earl Grey is the only black tea I can drink without milk and sugar, and only have one cup here and there, at the most once or twice a week.
Now it's all Green tea and lots of other herbal teas, which are GP-recommended for Detox and weight loss, unfortunately I don't know what they called in English, I would have to look it up in the dictionary.

Due to this I all of the sudden started having more liquids, which I used to have a massive problem with anyway plus all the dehydrating factors of coffee and black tea, well I think I cannot remember when I was hydrated this well.

I feel much better and perform so much better, sleep well at night and wake up on my own after 7 1/2 hours of sleep, which I didn't have for a long time either.
I limited baked goods and sweets and have hardly more than one slice of bread a day, and eat loads of food and every day either rice or potatoes.

So, I haven't even started 5:2 yet, but I will at the beginning of next month and will do this for 10 weeks first, by following the 5:2 and by cutting out sweets, chocolate, baked goods, pies, cakes, bread, and past alltogther.

I decided to stick to rice, couscous, bulgur, quinoa, and potatoes as one main meal during the day for 3-4 times a week.
We'll see how this will work out. I am looking forward to it and have to stock my fridge and cupboard this weekend as they are nearly empty, and would want to have only this non-processed food in the house...
I am so looking forward to it. And love reading here on these MN threads. So motivational. Thanks!!!

Laska42 · 25/09/2012 10:14

hope this doesnt sound too rude of me world but why are you waiting until you start? Jump In! you could lose a few pounds extra..

IMHO its supposed to be a WOE change not 'just' a diet (though it has that effect as well for most of us here) but why wait any longer for the positive effects to kick in? ..I dont think theres a right way or a wrong way to do this.. we are all experimenting here ..

( sorry if that sounds confrontational, not meant to be ..but perhaps a small poke with sharp stick.. meant as encouragement of course )

right im off until after lunch ... MUST work .. been a$$ing aroung too long already ..also im annoyed because I just got outbid on a nice pair of sz 10 (tra laaa!) jeans on ebay!! lol .. (I must list some of my stuff that's too big next rather than just buy things )

aargh!! the cat has just jumped on me and hes SOAKING wet!!

worldcitizen · 25/09/2012 10:21

Laska hello there, no not rude at all Smile

In the past I have noticed that this is what works best for me, sometime jumping in, like with the sugar thing...but sometimes I need long thinking and getting myself into a zone first and aim at a certain time frame....just how I noticed what worked best for me and how I was most successful.

And yes, I also see this as WOE, just need each time a little bit changed, take away from here and add this etc.....

Thanks for the encouragement, well due to this thread I have not even eaten cake/pie or baked goods anymore, thought I simply won't buy it and won't eat it NOW and won't wait 'til next month. Yes, it worked Smile