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Glittertwins · 02/10/2024 19:37

Did I get this done right??

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Glittertwins · 21/11/2024 10:49

At 11, it is more about enjoyment and the wanting to swim but that is a considerable reduction in training times - it's halved. Was she anticipating being in what appears to be a lower squad? Will she be in the same squad as friends?

Having friends in another club is all well and good but friendship is very changeable at that age as is the willingness on their part to stay. I speak from experience when DC didn't want to move due to friends at old club. Friends duly quit and they didn't enjoy it at the old club, didn't make the grade for the squad they wanted at the new club and also eventually quit earlier this year.

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Eccle80 · 21/11/2024 11:20

So currently she has 11 hours available and does 8, if she moved she would have 7 hours available and do 4?
As Glittertwins says, would this actually put her with her friends? Also worth thinking how far they both are from your house (further with more shorter sessions would add on a lot of extra time for less hours). And is she very competitively motivated, or more bothered about the social side? How do the other club generally do compared to yours? More hours isn’t necessarily always better, and the hours she has available currently seem a lot to me for her age (more than our top squad!), but it would be a big drop especially if she can’t get to all the sessions

Teateaandmoretea · 21/11/2024 11:45

Yeah, I think 8 is a lot of hours for a swimmer under 13.

Do the other clubs sessions get longer as they get older? I think longer sessions as they are older are a more efficient form of training.

Glittertwins · 21/11/2024 11:53

We have 10 hours available a week for that age group. Don't think there is 100% attendance though but it does give parents alternative sessions.

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StrawberryThief1930 · 21/11/2024 12:07

the max training we offer is 5 hours! split into 2 sessions of 1.5, and 2 x 1 hour. feeling like my son is under training compared to these hours! (he does 7 because he does 2 at a different location).

he seems to be doing ok though even with less water time?

Eccle80 · 21/11/2024 12:23

StrawberryThief1930 · 21/11/2024 12:07

the max training we offer is 5 hours! split into 2 sessions of 1.5, and 2 x 1 hour. feeling like my son is under training compared to these hours! (he does 7 because he does 2 at a different location).

he seems to be doing ok though even with less water time?

There seems to be a lot of variation, and smaller clubs generally have less. I don’t think it has to mean they won’t be able to compete on those doing more hours though. My younger son won a couple of events at counties in the 12 age group on 4 hours and got multiple medals at regionals and qualified for nationals in the 13s on 6 hours. He started doing the maximum we have of 9 a couple of months ago at 13, though in practice it’s often a bit less because of competitions. I’ve gone in circles about whether he ‘should’ be doing more, but he’s happy and doing well so something must be working!

Glittertwins · 21/11/2024 12:28

Just because those hours are available, it doesn't mean to say they are being effectively used by some swimmers and the ones who have less pool time probably use it better as well. My DC enjoys the time at training and uses the time well so we don't mind.

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Glittertwins · 21/11/2024 12:58

And we live a fair drive from the pools, a regular one hour session wouldn't work for us as we'd spend more time in the car than in the pool.

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vites · 21/11/2024 13:01

Thanks yes they say they expect us to attend at least 4 sessions and dd is the youngest in her group atm. This club has a big disparity between dd being the bottom of her current group and the group below her not really having much competition for her as it’s not the biggest club.

The other club is more established so yes it means going down a ‘level’ as their squad has better times even though dd is not ‘slow’ but they have better swim times than dd has. To move up the times are far more faster and therefore it will be a while until she goes up to that level again.

im thinking we’re better off sticking with more available hours so we have more flexibility on not going to every session tbh otherwise dd will have so much less time in the pool.

SkankingWombat · 21/11/2024 22:54

I agree with PPs that it can be a case of quality over quantity, so fewer hours doesn't necessarily equate to lower performance.
My 10yo swims 4.5 hours over 4 sessions and has 11 of 14 possible County times (might squeak a twelfth at the last remaining gala of the year if she's lucky, but it isn't something she's keen to swim LC anyway as it's her #4 form. 200Br... Shudder...), with 2 of those times fast enough for the next age category. On paper she is expected to make a good number of finals come January but will likely just miss out on medals, which isn't too shabby for the time commitment. She has other hobbies, and it feels too soon to be putting her in a position where she has to choose to drop something: this works for us as a balance. I don't want her to burn out and I believe her other hobbies make her a stronger swimmer in terms of discipline, physical literacy and strengthening supporting muscle groups.
We are a small club with limited pool time, and use HIIT-style training. None of our coaches are the kind that write the set up on a white board then settle down to a good hour+ of doom scrolling or the ones who turn up unprepared without a written plan, both of which I see regularly from other clubs' coaches who train in lanes alongside us at points throughout the week. As a club, we get a good number of regional qualifiers and a few national qualifiers, with one of the latter picking up a couple of medals over the summer, so our approach to training is clearly a workable and successful one.

Can you go and watch a few sessions from the gallery at the new club to get a feel for their ethos and training approach?
I wouldn't pick a club based on friends, as it is very unlikely they will regularly be together. DDs have both left friends behind by moving squad as well as been left behind when their friends have progressed ahead of them. This has particularly been true of Summer born DD1 and her Autumn born school friends, who are therefore in an older competing year and are always shifted ahead of DD to give them a better chance of achieving their tougher qualifying times. DDs still get to hang out with their friends at meets or chat in the showers (if the squads' sessions align), but it isn't as frequent as they'd like. Even in the same squad, there is no guarantee of being in the same lane and being able to snatch a few sentences between lengths.
We have 3 clubs that are equidistant to us plus a couple more at an slightly further but acceptable distance. I picked our club based on a mixture of parent feedback, ethos, training times, pool locations and results.

itsgettingweird · 24/11/2024 18:33

Ear problems - how's ds doing now? Hope it's cleared up.

I do t have much idea on hours etc but my ds (20 now) trained at a small club from 12-16yo and started at 3 hours a week over 2 sessions and ended at 10 hours a week and 1 he s and c at 15 when covid hit.

Changed after covid as club could only offer 5 hours a week.

He moved to a club (16 yo by then) where he did 10 hrs swimming and 1 hr s and c and then after covid hit again and finally went back FT by Jan 2022 (17yo) he went to 16 hrs swimming and 2 hrs s and c and now does the max his club offer 18 hrs pool and 3 hours gym.

He does ok so I don't think you need to be busting out 12 hours a week at 12 - and tbh all the swimmers that were making nationals at 13/14 that he trained with have all dropped out and he's made that level much later and is still going!!!

He swam at Sandwell this weekend - looks so different to the last time we went for the commonwealth test event!!!

Eccle80 · 24/11/2024 19:45

Hope things went well for him at Sandwell, it’s a great pool (although not great for parking!) and all ours swimmers always like swimming there

itsgettingweird · 24/11/2024 20:47

Parking was ok but I imagine that's because a para meet has less swimmers?!

Someone said today it cannot be configured LC anymore?

Eccle80 · 24/11/2024 22:04

Yes maybe, normally the leisure centre only allocate a fairly limited amount for events which isn’t enough even for team managers, coaches and officials, and the alternative car park is about three quarters of a mile away.

It was set up long course for regionals this year, unless anything has happened since?

StrawberryThief1930 · 25/11/2024 06:55

my DS swam LC at sandwell only a couple of weeks ago so must still work.

itsgettingweird · 25/11/2024 06:57

Yeah - didn't ring true to me and the boom looked moveable. I always just smile when given this info - I find people say all sorts with absolute certainty and most of it is tosh 😂

itsgettingweird · 25/11/2024 17:43

Whereonthestair did you make it to Sandwell? We were up there all 3 sessions and survived the stormy weather as well!

Earproblems · 25/11/2024 18:27

@itsgettingweird thank you for asking! Unfortunately still out of the water. Turns out it was fungal infection not a bacterial one so Otomize wasn't treating it. Now on Caneston so really hoping this will work...

It's lovely to hear how well your DS is doing and is proof that you don't need to be hitting Nationals at 12/13 to be successful in your late teens/early 20's. I think it's easy to get carried away with the idea that more hours = more success but that often isn't the case. Much better to try to sustain a love for the sport and a balance between swimming/education and actually living life - not easy when training schedules are tough and unforgiving.

itsgettingweird · 25/11/2024 20:48

I guess fungal makes sense as they get moist ears?! I always wonder how these kids that are dunked in bleach most days of the week end up getting infections or viruses 😂😂

I hope it clears soon and he can get back in. 🤞

The pool is definitely my ds happy place! He missed this morning as competed yesterday morning and couldn't get his leg straight until about 7pm last night 🫣 but he rarely misses training and I dread the day he needs to be out for a period of time due to illness or injury. Covid was bad enough!

Earproblems · 26/11/2024 09:03

I think getting ears wet every day and not drying them properly (and possibly wearing earphones out of the pool) creates an ideal environment for a fungal infection to take hold. If anyone else ever in the position of having a recurrent swimmer's ear, I would really recommend asking the GP for a swab to see if it is bacterial or fungal. Definitely worth checking the treatment you've been prescribed is actually going to work!

Totally relate to the pool being a happy place! It's very hard when they are confined to dry land. He's a bit lost at the moment. Really hoping this treatment will be successful.

When he returns, earplugs WILL be worn and ears dried - anything to prevent a rerun of the two month or so! We're trialling the mouldable silicone ones in the shower as he can't stick anything into his ear canal. So far, they have been relatively successful but whether they will stay in place when actually swimming remains to be seen...

Many thanks for the recommendations - all noted and will work out way through them if the silicone ones don't work (and probably spend a small fortune in the process!)

itsgettingweird · 26/11/2024 09:28

They should stay in place with a hat. But if they don't try one of those neoprene headbands over the ears and under the hat for extra security!

Earproblems · 26/11/2024 09:43

Oh I've seen those! The Ear Bandit type things?
Good idea - thank you! With hat and band, they should stay in place (might be hot? - but better than an infection).

Might trial that too in the shower...

itsgettingweird · 26/11/2024 10:51

Yeah and he may need to learn to lip read (Wink) or if the coach doesn't already they will need to write the set up on a whiteboard!

We are very lucky our coaches either get all swimmers out and in front of board or have whiteboard visible at head of lane and/ or stop them all and example loudly and clearly what white board says. But I've seen many clubs that don't and it impacts swimmers with earplug, processing difficulties and who wear glasses but not prescription goggles!

Earproblems · 26/11/2024 11:05

Yep - that's my worry!

He already can't see the board very well (very short sighted) and had a few issues with writing being too small and too far away. Mostly resolved - use two boards/bigger writing - and do get them out to explain I believe. Looked at prescription goggles but he's a teenage boy and CONSTANTLY losing things so this could be potentially quite expensive investment...

However, him being in and out of training is equally not ideal so hopefully the coaches/us can come to a workable solution!

(Tbf what he chooses to hear and not to hear when he's ears are completely uncovered, is variable/frustrating/bloody annoying so it could be an interesting return to the pool...)

itsgettingweird · 26/11/2024 11:14

I paid £25 for off the shelf prescription googles for me from spec savers.

Cheaper than DS googles 🫣😂

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