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Glittertwins · 07/01/2024 11:33

Hope this works, am rubbish at this!

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rainyboo · 27/09/2024 19:55

Good idea @Hellocatshome thank you

Teateaandmoretea · 28/09/2024 08:13

@rainyboo we don’t think you are mad. But there are a lot of people in swimming who are, so it’s hard for us to advise on whether the advice of the coach is right. And clubs are hugely different, some are pressured and some aren’t.

In our club it is normal for 9 year olds to go into the first proper competitive squad, which on paper has 5 sessions a week but most swimmers will do 3. Not many swimmers in the older squads do more than 4 but their sessions are longer/ more intense. Dd2 would have swum 3x a week at 9 and still swims 3 times a week at 12. She’s reasonably good, has managed to scrape a county time again and may be able to get a couple of others. But she isn’t the elite level that some on here are if that makes sense?

Teateaandmoretea · 28/09/2024 08:18

Dd1 tends to do 4 sessions, shes a bit better than dd2 gets more county times, and just narrowly misses regionals every year. Gets picked for every team gala though, which dd2 doesn’t.

Glittertwins · 28/09/2024 08:28

Our 9-10 yr olds have 6 sessions a week timetabled but I'm pretty sure the majority do half of that. We know that the kids can't get there by themselves and need parents to be able to take them. The number of available sessions means that they have a wider choice to do and as many as they want / are able to. At this age, we're all about technique and skills development, not thrashing them up and down putting the distance in (we reserve that for the much older ones 😆).

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Teateaandmoretea · 28/09/2024 08:34

Glittertwins · 28/09/2024 08:28

Our 9-10 yr olds have 6 sessions a week timetabled but I'm pretty sure the majority do half of that. We know that the kids can't get there by themselves and need parents to be able to take them. The number of available sessions means that they have a wider choice to do and as many as they want / are able to. At this age, we're all about technique and skills development, not thrashing them up and down putting the distance in (we reserve that for the much older ones 😆).

It’s exactly the same here.

People who are new often read the timetable and panic because they think they have to go to all of them.

Hellocatshome · 28/09/2024 08:54

Teateaandmoretea · 28/09/2024 08:34

It’s exactly the same here.

People who are new often read the timetable and panic because they think they have to go to all of them.

I wish our club was like that. 100% attendance is expected and anything under 95% that isn't for medical reasons might see you bumped down a squad.

Teateaandmoretea · 28/09/2024 09:11

Hellocatshome · 28/09/2024 08:54

I wish our club was like that. 100% attendance is expected and anything under 95% that isn't for medical reasons might see you bumped down a squad.

This is why it’s hard to give coherent advice. It depends on the club.

if ours did that we’d have some very empty squads 😂

Glittertwins · 28/09/2024 09:12

Obviously we'd like them to be there as much as possible but we have to have realistic expectations. Things have definitely changed since covid when everything was a lot more rigid.

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itsgettingweird · 28/09/2024 09:56

Our 9yo can be doing anything from 1x45min session a week to 6/7 1.5-2hr sessions. It really depends on their current level which often is driven by what age they learned to swim and age they develop their co ordination and spatial awareness.

For example we have 1 or 2 9/10yo who are in regional stream already but learned to swim at 3/4yo and then there are 9 yo who didn't manage to get into LTS until 6/7yo because of covid being the age they'd have started and then the backlog after.

But there is no way of knowing - based on current national/ regional squads where any of those 9yo will end up.

There are plenty of swimmers like ds in his clubs national squad who didn't join a club until 12yo and so were still swimming 2-3 sessions (5-6hrs) a week at 12/13yo. He didn't join his current club (city club with loads of hours and facilities) until he was 16yo.

I wish it was made clear it's not a linear journey for parents of younger swimmers. And also people realised that of those who do get into national/british/ European juniors - how few of those then go on to worlds/olympics. I feel for parents of 8/9/10yo swimmers who feel pressurised (whether that's by a club or just personally) to be swimming loads of hours at that age to be successful and sometimes made to feel it's the only way to be successful.

The GB team hasn't changed much in the last 2 cycles and maybe even past decade. The reason we know the swimmers names is because they are around at the top for a long time.

Of around 6000 AB swimmers in an age group with 100m times per year the top 40/50 make British and nationals. It's a really small number. It's statistically much more likely you won't! It's no poor reflection on you, your coach or the club if you don't.

I know our situation is different because ds is a a para swimmer so it's a smaller pool (no pun intended 🫣😂) of swimmers, they race open age group rather than age and often race multi classification by points rather than by classification. But I think the theory I have still stands! You don't need to be training in a squad for 6 sessions a week a 9yo to make it to the top. I don't think my ds is an anomaly either in this. Not that he's at the top either 😂

Swimming, especially club swimming, is so beneficial in so many ways that go beyond what level you swim at. And enjoyment should always be at the heart of it - there is really no point getting up at 4/5am to swim unless you love it whatever level you are at imo. And I think those who do it with one goal in mind are the ones who burn out and drop out at 14/15/16yo.

Maybe the message from the top needs to be clearer?

So I would take the swim sessions that work for you. Focus on enjoyment. Always enjoy it - and most importantly enjoy whatever journey swimming becomes for you.

The reason my ds still swims and trains ridiculously at 20yo is because he genuinely loves it. Getting up at 4am everyday for me however ...... 🧐 but I do it because I love the enjoyment he gets from it.

I hope that this doesn't come across as a rant (it's not but I'm tired because I'm suffering cluster headaches to barely getting any sleep some nights so I'm aware my delivery right now may come across as too direct as sleep deprivation is definitely a form of torture 😂). It's just passion. Passion that every child should enjoy sport for the benefits it brings now rather than for benefits it may bring in 10-15 years time.

Teateaandmoretea · 29/09/2024 07:49

I think it’s a good summary.

I would add that city/ elite boarding school clubs are not necessarily better either. Some swimmers have to do it their own way and for most huge amounts of training and still not being anywhere near ‘the best’ in the end is frustrating and demotivating.

We have a couple of swimmers in dd1’s squad who were broken by city of squads, I’ve also seen others who have left our club to go to bigger clubs give up after a period of time.

It really all boils down to you have to be happy and enjoying it. Dd1 would not enjoy doing more swimming than she does for example, she has GCSEs and wants to hang out either friends too. Taking a second off her 100 free time isn’t worth 2 more sessions a week. She would start to resent it.

Hellocatshome · 29/09/2024 09:53

The above posts above are excellent.

Another thought is you never know when or how your swimmers goals will change so its important to remember it is their journey and their goals. While it is important to support them dont make it theirs and your sole reason for being. They are a person who swims not a swimmer.

itsgettingweird · 29/09/2024 10:58

I possibly see if differently because our journey was so different.

Ds just loved swimming. When he had a breakdown in 2016 and was unable to attend school after 3 weeks he said he just wanted to swim. So I signed him up to a small local club (not my towns really competitive one). He also had some neuro issues and no one really knew what they were.

He couldn't even get into level 3 meets as his times were so slow 🫣😂

But he loved it. Genuinely loved it and he just wanted to swim. After lockdown he wanted to swim more and his smaller club just couldn't get the hours so he looked at bigger clubs. They were of course more competitive but he didn't mind that expecting to be in a club squad rather than a bigger squad - he just wanted to swim more training rather than what he was doing at the time - which was a few club sessions available and lots of taking himself to the pool to swim/train independently.

He wasn't classified until 2021. It was then he realised as an S9 swimmer he was actually quite competitive rather than always being last in his age group. (Probably most age groups 😂)

I've heard so many swimmers say "I swim because I'm good at it" and I just think eventually that isn't enough.

Swimmers need to be comfortable with deciding swimming a few sessions a week and doing level 3 meets is just as acceptable (and more the norm) than those doing 8/9 sessions a week, s and c and aiming for British and beyond. As well as everything inbetween.

It's not nationals or nothing.

itsgettingweird · 29/09/2024 10:59

They are a person who swims not a swimmer

Love this.

Teateaandmoretea · 29/09/2024 12:10

Swimmers need to be comfortable with deciding swimming a few sessions a week and doing level 3 meets is just as acceptable (and more the norm) than those doing 8/9 sessions a week, s and c and aiming for British and beyond. As well as everything inbetween.

^^completely agree.

I would though add that there isn’t an absolute relationship between the amount of training you do and how fast you are. I think that it’s often sold to the kids ‘if you do x you will achieve y’ and it isn’t actually always true. There are kids who could swim 6 times a week and never get to counties. There are also some who train sporadically but will make regionals. Many swimmers who make nationals won’t be doing 8 sessions a week also.

Teateaandmoretea · 29/09/2024 12:11

itsgettingweird · 29/09/2024 10:59

They are a person who swims not a swimmer

Love this.

It’s totally true.

Glittertwins · 29/09/2024 12:36

Teateaandmoretea · 29/09/2024 12:10

Swimmers need to be comfortable with deciding swimming a few sessions a week and doing level 3 meets is just as acceptable (and more the norm) than those doing 8/9 sessions a week, s and c and aiming for British and beyond. As well as everything inbetween.

^^completely agree.

I would though add that there isn’t an absolute relationship between the amount of training you do and how fast you are. I think that it’s often sold to the kids ‘if you do x you will achieve y’ and it isn’t actually always true. There are kids who could swim 6 times a week and never get to counties. There are also some who train sporadically but will make regionals. Many swimmers who make nationals won’t be doing 8 sessions a week also.

And there are some (strange ones in my opinion) who have coaches that make them enter every single competition going and then wonder why they aren't improving. These are the coaches to watch out for. It's definitely a balance.

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SabrinaThwaite · 29/09/2024 12:45

I would though add that there isn’t an absolute relationship between the amount of training you do and how fast you are.

Absolutely! I was so glad when 16 yo DS quit the big city performance team where he was slogging up and down the pool for hours on end and getting nowhere, and joined a smaller club that had a HIIT sprints section that did a lot of stroke technique and starts / turns work. He dropped to 4 x 1 hour evening sessions a week and took seconds off his 50 times.

Eccle80 · 29/09/2024 15:51

Completely agree with all the above, lots of good advice. You have to swim because you enjoy it not because you are good at it, and you can get a lot out of it whatever level you are at, your value as a swimmer isn’t determined by whether or not you get a county or regional time.

Also agree on the training time comments, my younger son won medals at counties when doing 4 hours a week and at regionals on 6 hours. He’s now just gone up to the maximum which is 9 hours. There have been points I have debated whether he will struggle to keep competing with those at bigger clubs without moving, but he is happy, it’s really convenient, and it’s obviously worked for him so far where he is.

I also think pushing younger ones too hard too early isn’t worth it - they might do well initially, but others will inevitably catch up as they get older, and it’s easy for them to then lose motivation

itsgettingweird · 29/09/2024 16:24

I would though add that there isn’t an absolute relationship between the amount of training you do and how fast you are.

Absolutely agree too. Also agree that it's an issue that parents seem to be sold (in some clubs rather than all) that if they don't out their child in squad at 9yo they won't ever make the Olympics.

I just laugh and say well ds didn't start until he was 12.

Adam peaty wasn't raining at his level for breastroke until well into his teens.

Freya who had just smashed the IMs had a dad who refused to allow her to do ridiculous amounts of swimming.

It's a message I'm very passionate about.

rainyboo · 01/10/2024 19:08

Thanks to everyone for all your help! Very much appreciated

New question - does anyone know how the AP race clinics international 2025 junior selection works?

Hellocatshome · 01/10/2024 20:06

I dont know specifically how they work but I have heard varying opinions on AP clinics ranging from 'best day ever' to 'spectacular waste of money' so maybe research them and get some opinions from peoples whose opinion you trust before signing up.

itsgettingweird · 01/10/2024 20:07

Ds hasn't done any AP race clinics so I know nothing about them but I've heard really good things about them.

Spendonsend · 01/10/2024 20:16

I'm popping on to say my son got back in the water this week after 6 months out for a health condition.. He was very nervous. He is really worried his coaches will ask him to do stuff he physically cant do. But I'm proud he is back in the water and preparing to build up again. He is determined to get his old times back before retiring on a high rather than due to his condition.

Hellocatshome · 01/10/2024 20:27

Spendonsend · 01/10/2024 20:16

I'm popping on to say my son got back in the water this week after 6 months out for a health condition.. He was very nervous. He is really worried his coaches will ask him to do stuff he physically cant do. But I'm proud he is back in the water and preparing to build up again. He is determined to get his old times back before retiring on a high rather than due to his condition.

That's fantastic, well done him. It takes guts to get back in.

rainyboo · 01/10/2024 20:29

Spendonsend · 01/10/2024 20:16

I'm popping on to say my son got back in the water this week after 6 months out for a health condition.. He was very nervous. He is really worried his coaches will ask him to do stuff he physically cant do. But I'm proud he is back in the water and preparing to build up again. He is determined to get his old times back before retiring on a high rather than due to his condition.

Well done to you DS

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