Marathon Training

[yetanotherdeskmove]

Have anyone else just started marathon training and wants to support each other?

I made up a 2L jug of squash and did my best to get through it each day. On a normal day I barely drink 200ml

Hydration is essential for carb loading though - and I recovered so much quicker after B'mouth. I was also fitter... I did Brighton on two runs a week training and a crappy knee injury. Oh, and carry on with your marathon diet for a week after the run. That helped too.

Will stop waffling before I convince myself to do another marathon

I think carb loading helps, but I hate doing it. I have terrible GI problems so before a big race am supposed to eat nothing but rice and ham or pasta and ham for at least 3 days.
But runners like Seb Coe and Brendan Foster just ate normally. Foster ate what his wife did, just a little more. Before a race he drank tea, ate toast (with honey if it was a big race) and after a race drank a shandy. Simples!
And many of today's athletes still can't better his times even with all the nutitional advice dished out.
I drink lots of water, just not enough when I do a long run because I don't feel thirsty. I think I'll be OK but often get a headache an hour after finishing because I didn't drink enough during the run.

Summer - my closest time is 418 but my last 5 have been trail so I'm hoping that road should make a difference .
When I got my 4.18 my 10 k time was 54 minutes and half time was 1.50 so 4.30 should certainly be achievable for you .

Sandunes - really interesting about the water and carb loading . I have to admit to not having the best diet in the world . I often forget to eat meals and snack on the go ( all the wrong foods) . Perhaps I should include diet change in this new plan. Did you stay in Brighton the night before?

I live near Brighton, so luckily slept in my own bed the night before!

Carb loading only works if you also deplete - similar to the 5:2 diet. I'm crap at eating regularly so figured I was probably depleted anyway 😀

You need the fluids to make the sugar part of the carbs stick properly in your liver. I gained quite a lot of weight in the 2 or 3 weeks before the big day.

Fascinating stuff.

What do you mean about depleting sandunes?

I tried a mile at tempo pace last night, I thought I was going to die

I need to sort out my diet too, but we have a lot of snacks left from christmas. dilemma........

yetanotherdesk my 2016 motto is 'Eat to run, not run to eat' the latter of which I was doing rather too much of pre Christmas. I want to lose a few pounds just to get down to ideal running weight, not easy with marathon training but I think 1lb = 1 minute off marathon time. The problem is not to lose muscle in the process.

Wow, is that right Anglaise? I'd better get on and lose some more fat!

That’s a good motto, I’m very guilty of looking at my calories burned on Strava and thinking ooh what can I eat for that??

Talking of calories burnt on Strava, when I don't wear my heart monitor it has me down as burning around 630 cals for 10kms. When I wear my heart monitor with my Garmin the calories burned go down to around 420
I must stop looking at it too.
Food is Fuel, Food is Fuel, Food is Fuel....

mine had me at 588 for 5m last night but I do take it with a pinch of salt tbh. I find it too uncomfortable to wear an hrm when running so don't bother any more.

Ideally I have about 3/4 of a stone to lose but I have maintained this weight for about 2 years now so not sure if it will shift without a drastic change to my diet which I'm not ready to do yet.

I'm 5'8 and 60kgs, would like to get to 57 - 58kgs. Saying that I did a 10k PB at 45 mins just before Christmas at this weight, but maybe it would have been even better if I'd been a little lighter. I have no idea what my perfect running weight is, even having read all the Matt Fitzgerald books on the subject!

I'm 59 kg but only 5ft3. Well done one the 10k time, I'm a way off that!

Depleting carbs means you eat none at all for a set period of time, and then you add carbs into your diet for a set period of time, then don't eat etc etc. The depletion tricks your body into storing extra sugars. I didn't do this, I just massively increased how much I ate in the weeks of my very long runs and for the week before marathon day.

The motto food is fuel was in my head a lot. I've had issues with food for a very long time and it took a while to reset my mind that it was 'OK' to eat.

Sub 50 is my aim this year. My 10km PB is 52mins so a little way to go.

Oh a pound = a minute! I am totally done with dieting other than to eat more healthy with less empty calories. I guess that's a diet!

On a totally different note.... Foam roller? Any thoughts. I just look at them and wonder what to do with it. I am also not liking the ice idea at all.

Foam roller = torture, but works.

Ice bath is pretty much the same torture, but works like a dream (for me anyway). The trick is to put about an inch of tepid water in the bath, sit in and then run the cold tap.

Thanks sandunes I am not liking the sound of it but I think I need to try it.

It's really not that bad if you run it while sitting in it. I keep a jumper on 😂

Getting into a fully run ice bath makes me sing opera by that I really mean shriek

Shudder at ice baths!!!!

I had a great fun, wet ten miles this morning. I embraced the rain :)

Hope you all have good running weekends.

It didn't rain on me at all today . And I've come back to an empty house as ds is off at bike race training, so a few minutes of peace as well

16 miles in the wind and rain. I hope the conditions are better for the marathon itself! Managed to hold the speed quite well this week despite the wind.

Hi everyone. I'm currently training for the London Marathon, my first. All going well so far except for a minor strain which is responding well to treatment. I'm enjoying the training. It's a bit of me time between full time work and two small DCs. I'm missing a more varied exercise routine though. Prior to marathon training I ran once or twice a week with spinning, bikram yoga and baby pump classes. Now it's just running, weights at home and just one yoga class. I'd love to take up swimming (I'm a terrible swimmer!) but maybe that's one for after 24 April!

I've found spinning valuable cross-training so maybe keep that in? I also swim but its more for general fitness/relaxation. I always sleep well after a swim!

Hello - can I join? I joined the normal running thread briefly, but this looks more relevant to me.

Am running the Rome marathon on April 10th.

Am following Hal Higdon Novice training schedule - am on week 7. I am also at a fasting clinic in Germany, so am surviving on less than 200 cals a day. So far I have been able to keep up with schedule, but have 6 miles tomorrow (am on Day 8 of my fast, so very much burning fat reserves at the moment!) and on Sat I have 12 miles (but will have "broken" the fast the day before with some apple puree and buts) so will be interesting to see if I can do the run or not, having fasted for nearly 2 weeks.

And then back to normal next week (food wise) - and will be almost half way through training.

Have not done a marathon before but best 10km time is 44 mins, and best half mara is 1hr 43 so am hoping for a sub 4hr debut. Was a lot fitter before though - am building up after a rubbish year health wise last year.

Will see if that running and food Radio 4 broadcast is a podcast now - sounds interesting.

nuts not buts