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Runners United - Conwy Cockwatch, a live birth and Alex "Rhet" Ferguson in one thread. What more could we ask for?

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fannybanjo · 18/11/2011 21:09

LET'S FUCKING DO IT....!

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peachLFDTsmuggler · 27/11/2011 17:46

Sorry, first paragraph for Sticky.!!!

stickyLFDTfingers · 27/11/2011 17:54

I don't know why we can't all use those elastic on gloves peach? I do it for both DDs Blush. I did see a kit you could buy at huge expense to do the same thing on amazon - and they called it idiot string Blush Blush I hope I'm not bullying my poor DDs. But it would be good for grown ups, you know when you're wearing gloves, then have to fumble for keys/change on the bus or whatever? I'm wearing fingerless gloves, but will have to go for the full things soon.

Am I convincing anyone?

stickyLFDTfingers · 27/11/2011 17:57

Oh and peach - leaves - they take ages to mulch, so one (notice the pronoun there) ought really to rake them up and put them in a separate compost to mulch for a couple of years, before using the resultant compost on one's perfect garden. If you leave them, they'll hinder your grass growing. If you're lucky enough to have grass, not just a load of moss like me.

I like the wait for the wind to take them away approach though! They'd been making me feel guilty for the last week. Can't tell you how happy I am they're gone!

stickyLFDTfingers · 27/11/2011 17:59

orange a bit like this only this one is less pretty than mine (mine's red

squix · 27/11/2011 18:02

Well done ibby! Fab race. And sonic - again
Back from this morning?s adventures feeling a rosy warm glow (or is that windswept cheeks)! I look a bit like this Blush.

So picked up friend at 9am after porridge at 7:30 as planned, after a dreadful night?s sleep due to the howling wind and rain. At about 1 am I thought ?no chance?. But by the time I got up the rain had stopped even though it was still mightily windy. Headed off to Stirling ? half the sky was dark grey ? half bright sunshine and we got to the campus at Stirling Uni in plenty of time. Parked and headed down to pick up our antlers, noses and T-Shirts ? it was sooo chilly that most of us put our T Shirts on, on top of our other gear.

T?was very hard deciding what to wear (like ibby) ? I settled on a long sleeve technical T and then a warmer top layer and Rudolph T shirt ? part of the course I was too hot, part I was cold. We decided not to wear antlers to run in as they would impact our aerodynamism (cough, cough), but in all likely hood they would have blown off anyway. Quick trip for a wee ? very different from the huge queues for porta -loos in mass participation races ? short queue for 2 proper indoor toilets ? much more civilised.

I don?t normally take part on the warm ups for this sort of thing but did today ? definitely needed it ? by the end of the warm up I could just about feel my fingers. We set off to the start with warnings of ?watch out, it?s boggy out there? ? there were about 250 max in the 10k (then a smaller field about 75 ish in the 5K which started an hour later which my friend was running in).
Set off feeling good but as soon as we rounded the corner of the playing field realised just how boggy it was ? all thoughts of a PB went away and I decided that getting round without falling over and with both shoes was going to be my new goal.

I sort of had an idea of what the route was like as I had done the route as part of the R4L over the summer. The first 1k was pretty much undulating on a pebbly path round a lake and I had the chance to look up and remind myself what a glorious setting it was. The rain was well away now and it was glorious sunshine and the wind seemed (seemed mind you!) to have died down. I knew that there was a hill at about 1.5k and today it was v.v. tricky ? at this point the route went off the track and the next about 2K were run on the grass/mud/in the water! The hill was very slippy so I slowed right down and contemplated buying trail shoes on my next trip to the running shop. The top of the hill was not much better ? at one point I had to trot along and hold on to the wire fence to avoid slipping over.

We then went on a wee jaunt round a loop that was only there for the first lap before joining the 5k route again - but this meant going through the bog of despair! I just about managed to keep both my shoes but I saw at least two coming off and lots of shouts or ?eurgh? and ?yuk? out of the bog and onto the path with soggy, soggy feet.

The rest of the first lap was on the pebbly path again, glorious view but the wind came back with a vengeance and I had renewed admiration for rhet on her ?infinite half marathon of indefinite duration? ? I guess your conditions were much worse than that but, boy I found it hard! Also for Hat who I am sure trains in much tougher conditions most of the time. Down a bit of a hill, up another one into a wee bit of shelter and round for lap 2 and for the next layer of mud. Same again but this time the hill was twice as muddy ? as it had taken a real battering ? the 5kers must have found it really squelchey.

We didn?t go through the bog of despair on lap 2 (thank god) but did go round a very muddy gate that required a technique of sliding feet whilst holding on to the gate post. I actually really enjoyed lap 2 ? has really whetted my appetite for more trails and cross country ? and got covered in even more mud. Headed back towards the sports field for the final lap of the track and heard ?oh look, there?s squix, go squix? ? it was one of my new running club folk ? I?ve only been twice so it was great to be recognised. Round the final bit of the track (springy) through a big puddle and over the line.

Time on the Garmin was 54:59 which was great for a 10k but distance on the Garmin was 5.4miles so quite a bit short - but I reckon it makes up for the two ?Great Runs? that I have done this year that I measured loads over the 10k and 10 mile marks. Then off to change my soggy socks and muddy tights and back in time to see friend finish her 5K in a brilliant time. Coffee and mince pie at the end too. Then off for lunch, home, DD loved the antlers so I was gald I hadn?t lost them and it was dark by the time I got out of the bath.

So thoughts on todays run:

  • I like smaller events, less toilet queues, more friendly
  • I want to run more cross country and trails
  • I will buy a pair of trail shoes if I am going to do more (any recommendations?)
  • It?s not worth dancing round the puddles when your feet are already wet.
stickyLFDTfingers · 27/11/2011 18:15

Squix! great report! I wish I'd been there, it sounded really fun.

I love my trail shoes. They were last year's ones (and therefore cheap - yay!) so not sure if I can recommend them as such, but I did find that there are lots of hybrid shoes that still have quite a bit of cushioning despite also being trail. The ones I used to x-country in as a teenager had no cushioning whatsoever, but I think they'd be classed as fell-runner's shoes these days. There was quite a lot of choice, so definitely a case of try them and see.

They are brilliant tho - I was slowing down so much for down hills and doing the silly dancing round puddles, and now I can pretty go much as per usual. The only problem is on sloppy pavements - I do have to start off on pavements to get away from the house, and on them they've less traction than my normal runners.

stickyLFDTfingers · 27/11/2011 18:16

sloppy=slippy.

orangeLFDThead · 27/11/2011 18:30

Thankyou sticky might leave the Wine though as planning 10 miles tomorrow, was supposed to do it wednesday but boys off. Had to reschedule my whole week Smile.
Grin peach I could put my hair in bunches too. Not sure if to do your idea or fanny pack. I think maybe the gloves flapping around might annoy me though.
Well done squix, great time. Sounds like you had fun with all the mud Smile

Wheelybug · 27/11/2011 19:04

Great race reports squix and ibby. Impressive times especially in such conditions.

I love reports, they make me feel all teary and ready to sign up for more races!

Glad Kate sleeping a little better. Have been trying to think of some useful advice but can't really other than to keep repeating 'this too shall pass' . You sound Very happy though so hope you are coping ok.

9-10 miles for me tomorrow, then have to think ahead to rearrange week as dd1 off on Wednesday. Am hoping I can sneak her into the pool and she can sit on the side for my swimming lesson as I only have 2 left this term. The swimming teacher says she doesn't mind but the pool staff might. I then have dd2 off next thurs (to do with polling stations for a by election) so won't get in full schedule then either.

Tri-wannabes (futurity?). I had a Email about the women's only Tri at Dorney lakes next year and I am now contemplating it again as the novice distances are only 200m swim, 5k bike and 2.5k run). I had been worrying about my swim stamina but might manage the equivalent of 8 lengths. Think I'll keep plodding with the swimming
And then review after my HM in feb.

rhetorician · 27/11/2011 19:52

great race reports - I think that the good luck snog is where I have been falling down all these years! I loved the Bog of Despair - it brought back the IHMOID - ah yes, horizontal rain, driving gales - those were the days. I'd like to do that run again someday - not next year, but maybe the year after and I can bring the family - it's a lovely part of the world

sticky squix I too have trail shoes - they're goretex and cost me less than any pair of running shoes I have ever owned - I like them a lot and find the cushioning fine. They are ASICS Lahar, but I secretly hanker after some Inov8 ones -I have other gear by them and love it all. I run a lot off road so in the winter particularly it's good to be able to keep dry. Like you, I wouldn't wear them to run on roads for that long, esp when it's wet because they aren't very grippy. Had to laugh at you calling them 'runners' - that's living in Ireland for you (or perhaps it's just southerners who call them trainers!)

I too like the smaller events - last one I did started from a community centre and the same thing - short queue, proper toilets...the only thing is for a slower runner that there's a danger of being so far back from the field that you are running it alone. I want to do lots of trails too - I think given that I am not going to break any records that it might as well be scenic and fun.

There's a lovely piece in RW this month about a couple celebrating their golden wedding anniversary by running a marathon - they've done lots. They are in their mid 70s. So cool.

No baby yet, although DP keeps telling me it won't be long (she's been saying this for a week now...)

futurity · 27/11/2011 20:10

wheely looks tempting but it's the same day as a half I want to do. Suppose I better decide what I wish to do in the spring/summer months..a tri or another half?

monkeyLFDTwench · 27/11/2011 20:34

wheely I would love to try a tri! When is the one you mentioned, and is there a slightly longer one? I would really prefer an aquathlon but they seem to be few and far between.

Great race report squix and a great time for the course. There's something strangely satisfying about getting muddy!

Did about 7 miles this evening, relatively flat route so it felt easy after yesterday's 8.5!

monkeyLFDTwench · 27/11/2011 20:36

Oh and cherry you know I said about the pub/restaurant where we were having our class party? The food was absolutely amazing! And really good value! Love the sound of the red petticoats, sounds very decadent!

WishIwasCherryMenlove · 27/11/2011 20:44

Ibby, sonic, squix well done on your races.

orange, I'm with you on the PMT front! As a result, hiding in the study from DP this evening allegedly "working".

Peach glad to hear you had a better night and nice pub lunch

Fanny our wedding is next May. Sort of partly why I have been getting more into running so I look ok on the day! Has your DH returned to help out with the girls?

monkey, wheely et al you should definitely give the tris a try! I am doing blenheim next June, and did it last year. I've heard of the dorney lake one, it's meant to be good. At Blehheim they are generally single sex starts. The one I did last year had a swim of 450m I think in the lake, that's the equivalent of 13.5 ish lenghts of our local pool. Really wasn't too bad at all. I wasn't so good at crawl then, so did most of it breast stroke, but it was fine. The place I lost time and places was on the bike because my bike is totally rubbish - it makes a massive difference if you have good equipment.

Had a great threshold run today - did a specific route that normally takes me 18 to 20 mins to get to a certain point - today 14.5 mins!! Just worked out that to be 8.9 minute miles! I did have to walk a bit on the way home as felt like I was going to vomit, but I'm amazed that actually I don't have to run at a snails pace to get anywhere.

In other news, two very exciting moments for me today:

  1. DS has learned to tell me when he is doing a poo. Roll on toilet training.
  2. I brought a new proper Miele vacuum cleaner. And it's bloody amazing.

That is it. Aren't you jealous of my exciting life?

WishIwasCherryMenlove · 27/11/2011 20:46

monkey, thanks for the pub tip, I have been to the one you are talking of. Hmm, need to get my arse in gear with more wedding planning.

Wheelybug · 27/11/2011 20:52

futurity - I think it might be on or near
The London to Brighton bike ride which I've said I'd do too so I need to decide which to do too !

monkey - yes there are longer ones. I think the sprint is 400m swim, 10k bike and 5k run. It's the swimming that means I'd probably stick to the novice which is annoying but next time I get in the pool
For a non lesson swim I'll do the 200m and se e how long it takes and compare it to the results. cherry interesting you say you did most of it breast stroke. Although I now think my crawl is my best stroke, I would, at the moment, need to do a mix i think as I find breaststroke less tiring.

Wheelybug · 27/11/2011 20:55

Here monkey/futurity - what puts me off is the cost especially for just 'trying it out' plus costs of Tri suit and other equipment'. Plus there's a training day which would be v. Useful but that's another £65!!

www.humanrace.co.uk/events/women-only/womenonly-triathlon

WishIwasCherryMenlove · 27/11/2011 20:57

Wheely crawl is by far the better stroke for open water swimming - if you're outdoors then you are likely to be in a wet suit and it is actually quite difficult to do breast stroke with a wetsuit on. But you need more residual fitness for crawl. I just didn't have that last year, plus I didn't feel as confident with crawl and was a bit freaked out by the whole situation i.e. in a race situation in a big lake with 50 other people. Still exited the water only about half way down the field (then the other half overtook on the bike!).

futurity · 27/11/2011 21:08

They are expensive aren't they...I am enjoying my swimming lessons and I do love riding my bike but I wonder whether I would just rather enjoy those activities separately and then only enter running events...at least until I get my marathon place (prays for 2013!). I could then see myself moving onto tri's for a change of scene. Saying that, I'm not getting any younger ...(puts on slippers, flat cap and rocks in chair)

Jezabelle · 27/11/2011 21:12

Well done Sonic, Ibby and Squix.

I did it! Have just written most of my report and then the computer went loopy and it disapeared! Angry

I'm sooo tired now that I'm off to bed. I'll fill you all in tomorrow.

stickyLFDTfingers · 27/11/2011 21:18

futurity can beat you there - I walked past a market stall selling bed jackets and thought...hmmm, that's a good idea . Poor old DP!

Just done Shred 2 (how monkey do you do 2 at once? Shredmonkey). Watching Shred 3 now to see if I could move on. Was looking fine til they got on to the jumping lunges - eek! Plyometrics....

12 miles planned tomorrow. Honestly can't wait! It's so addictive, this running lark.

rhet I at least don't do the "I'm after ... ing" construction! I miss the Irish way of speaking.

drno it must be so hard, all those little reminders of your Dad. Hugs, I love my Dad very much too xx

stickyLFDTfingers · 27/11/2011 21:19

glad to see you safe home jez and look forward to your report. Sure you'll sleep well!

peachLFDTsmuggler · 27/11/2011 21:21

Brilliant race report squix, sounds like squelchy fun (ooer!) and you got a great time. I like your list of conclusions at the end, really good to reflect on what we've learned from our races. Mince pie, coffee, and a bath after. Sounds awesome, well done.

sticky, I shall pray to the wind gods, to rid me of garden leaves!

Cherry, now you be careful with that vacuum cleaner. I am assuming Miele is some kind of uber cleaner?

rhetorician · 27/11/2011 21:23

sticky but I bet you miss bockety yokes that you made a hames of (got dd to say that the other day!)...surely you've some good turns of phrase up there in Geordie land?

wish I could get out for 12 miles sometime soon! I think I am limited to about an hour and half of running at any given time - oh well, next year, I hope

RunningAllDay · 27/11/2011 21:24

Finally managed to get on computer. Well done ibby and sonic (great times!!) and squix (your race had a lot in common with mine).

The Bicton Blister is a 10-mile trail race across lovely commons in East Devon (see my Garmin download if you're interested ). And it was an absolutely glorious clear and sunny day, although mite nippy and breezy. Its a little local one, which made it friendly, if a bit haphazard. There were no pins, for instance, and they had run out of small Tshirts by the time I finished, and only two water stations over the route. Big queue for the loos, but we had parked some way away and found a separate (empty) toilet block near the car so not really a problem. Lots and lots of club runners - some extremely annoying ones who overtake you and then almost step on you toes to get in front of you. However, the T-shirts given out were technical ones, and there were loads of marshals (important since the trails are a bit of a maze).

Course was muddy with streams,stiles and kissing gates and very undulating (1000 feet up-and-down), with most of the downhill sections consisting of loose pebbles. I tripped on a hidden rock and almost went flying at one point but managed not to end up face down in the mud. I had strapped up my dodgy toe to try and minimise pain, but all the downhill and rolling feet on very uneven trails meant my toe got some beating. It is now twice normal size and purple.

I tried to run to 85% max HR (as I have now devoured the HRM philosophy - thanks rhet) so I had confidence that I could make it round comfortably, and did mostly achieve it (average HR 156). This involved walking a couple of hills to try and get my HR down, but it meant I finished on an 8:06 min mile as I still had something in the tank. And I felt a LOT LOT stronger than at the Eden Project a couple of months ago when I HAD to walk most some hills as I just couldn't manage - this time I CHOSE to. I finished in 1:41:13 which was slower than I would have liked (and slower than my LSRs!) but I didn't feel slow. My friends finished in 1:33:? (male), 1:42 (female) and 1:49:? (female).

I then had to get back and entertain friends, doing roast duck for 9 and going for a lovely stroll in the country in the biggest wellies I could find to accommodate my toe balloon. I am SHATTERED and off to bed shortly.

Lessons learnt:
like squix, I love the trails, but they are hard!
could do with some trail shoes too, if I can find any for my horrible feet
the continuous hill training has done me a power of good
can't wait to put all the HRM philosophy into proper use
looking forward to a nice, flat road race....

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