Brexit Mega Thread 16 – Who's Next?

[LouiseCollins28]

We are approaching the 6th anniversary of Brexit, or I suppose the 5th, if you count the period of transition as "in."

Since then, the world has endured Covid-19, seen war in Ukraine and many other things. Brexit has had reduced salience in the minds of many people recently.

When digesting the latest setbacks to befall the elite who govern our islands, a phrase I keep returning to, is “OK, so now do you get it?”

Brexit is undoubtedly the biggest “OK, so now do you get it?” moment directed at our leaders in my life. It’s surely the largest since 1979, since the Labour victory of 1945? or even since the advent of universal suffrage?

The U.K. local elections in 2026, and subsequent national ones, could see a big increase in support for the Green Party and Reform U.K. Two parties with more different attitudes to European integration could scarcely be found, so Brexit’s salience in the U.K. may rise again soon
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There are many electoral contests in progress or coming across Europe too (the Netherlands and France, for example) which will be worth paying attention to. Maybe the next questions we will face are less about "what next?" and more about "who's next?"

Relations between mainland Europe and the UK remain a worthy topic for discussion, whoever leads the nations of Europe, or leads the E.U. itself.

@DuncinToffee

In case you are not aware:

https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/starmer-eu-customs-union-brexit-b2881875.html

And

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-12-10/starmer-calls-on-european-leaders-to-modernise-echr-to-tackle-illegal-migration

I am aware @GlobeTrotter2000

I assume you are aware of Farage's racism and Russia links? And his unwillingness to celebrate the succes of Brexit?

As Farage is not PM, what does any allegation about racism and links have to do with what Starmer has said about not a rejoin of the EU and the ECHR needs to be reformed?

If Brexit is a failure, as seems to be MN posters view, why would Farage want to celebrate?

According to Globe and Clav, Brexit has been nothing short of a monumental success! Why wouldn't the architect of Brexit be celebrating that for all to see - particularly as he so loves being in the limelight.

Of the times I have seen Farage on TV, he always seems to say that Brexit was not correctly implemented. He says the ECHR hinders immigration policy. Seems that Starmer and several EU leaders agree with him.

EE as in Eastern Europe?

Correlation isnt causation.

People vote for Farage for all sorts of reasons. Hes is unfortunately a clever politician who preys on people's fears and prejudices whilst evading responsibility.

As explained to Globe and other brexiteers, Brexit was implemented just as it was voted for. The UK left the EU

As per Article 50, the two year period to leave with or without withdrawal agreement could not commence until Article 50 had been triggered. Correct, as it prevents members spending two years, or more, talking about deals then at the end to say we’ve changed our minds.

As for the ECHR, it’s not only the UK that wants such reform. There a nine EU members too.

Makes sense, as the World has changed a lot since the ECHR came into effect in 1953. However, some countries have said they will not accept returns. So, where will they be deported to?

Article 50 again 🤔

Exactly - it sounds almost like Globe has set up a second account so it can agree with itself...

2016 Daily Heil: We want foreigners out! We don’t care if it makes us poorer. Brexit means Brexit!

2025 Daily Heil: Foreigners are leaving Starmer’s Britain because this country is poor and shit...

Poland doing well in the EU shocked face

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The Polish government is offering Polish expatriates up to Zloty 85K (circa €20K) per year tax relief up to four years tax reduction if they return to Poland. Good move as it encourages them to spend what they have earned outside of Poland inside the Polish economy.

UK is doing the opposite. They want to raise taxes on the wealthy (against Tony Blair’s advice). This encourages them (myself included) to leave the UK and spend their money elsewhere. So, the UK is worse off.

Great Brexit benefits then...

Those poor wealthy people having to pay tax in the UK

Isn't that why brexiteers moved their businesses to the EU or further afield

And all those people ostentatiously claiming they would leave the country if Labour got in - why haven't they buggered off yet?

Yet the Proud British Brexiteer Dyson buggered off as soon as Brexit happened, and took all his jobs with him.

I think this tells you something about these people...

@DuncinToffee
@MaybeNotBob

About 11,000 HNWI (High net worth individuals) left the UK in 2024. For 2025, it’s 16,500 so far.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-countries-gaining-and-losing-millionaires-in-2025/#:~:text=Where%20Millionaires%20Are%20Leaving,net%20loss%20of%207%2C800%20HNWIs.

UK now leads the World for millionaires lost. The reasons are increased;

Capital Gains Tax
Inheritance Tax
Non Don status abolished
VAT on private schools.

All introduced by the Labour government in 2024.

Dyson moved his manufacturing to Asia to lower costs. However, as Dyson is a UK registered company, he and his family are among the largest taxpayers in the United Kingdom.

@GlobeTrotter2000 @EEexpat
Dyson indeed got pressured into it
https://crwwgroup.net/en/2021/09/06/after-years-of-criticism-sir-james-dyson-returns-his-tax-residency-to-the-uk/

VAT on PS was made possbile by Brexit

The figures you linked to came from Henley and Partners who had to backtrack on their exodus narrative

UK source income is subject to UK tax regardless of the residency of the individual who receives the income. So, Dyson would have paid tax on dividends anyway.

Corporate tax may have been lower in Singapore than UK. However, many offer lower corporate taxes to encourage companies to move to their countries. Ireland’s decision to charge 12.5% corporate tax has attracted many companies to conduct operations in Ireland.

The reduced cost of manufacturing in Asia resulted in higher profits. This meant that dividends to UK shareholders were higher and hence more tax was paid to the UK.

UK has the highest loss of millionaires in the World. Twice as many as China. Astonishing considering the vast difference in population.

Disappointing news for the Brexiters
The UK is going to rejoin the Erasmus scheme. (Or should that be GB, NI might have been covered under an Irish agreement.)

How many of those millionaires left because of Brexit?

So Dyson still gets his UK dividends. Big whoop!

But his company doesn't pay millions of pounds in tax in the UK. What a patriot!

The lower the Corporate tax rate, the greater the amount of post tax profits can be distributed to shareholders. So, HMRC will receive lower corporate taxes from Dyson due moving manufacturing to Asia, but a lot more in dividends tax from UK shareholders.

Yes. I'm absolutely positive that every single one of his shareholders is paying UK tax...