Nigel farage

[Georgeianotits]

Can we all give our opinion on reform and that guy please.

He's a grifter. Not interested in anything but furthering himself. Just like Boris Johnson. How did he fair?

DuncinToffee
I never said immigration was a Brexit problem, just that Brexit increased it

If you are in favour of immigration, then it could be a Brexit benefit for you?

Why is it difficult for you to say if you think Brexit made it more difficult for the UK to deal with asylum seekers?

Because I don't know the answer - there are arguments on both sides.

What is your issue with Ukrainian or Albanian immigrants?

I don't have a problem with individual Ukrainians or Albanians - I might have a problem with an extra one million Ukrainians or Albanians, which EU freedom of movement would likely mean, or indeed Ukrainians or Albanians who enter the UK illegally without permission.

And what are the Farage brexit benefits?

Well obviously I can reel off a list of benefits which you disagree with so it's rather pointless, however: ability to strike our own trade deals, more control over our laws, ability to shape our own agricultural policies, ability to shape our own AI/tech policies, enhanced youth mobility scheme with English speaking countries, easier to deport EU criminals/bar entry and banning the export of live animals, to name but a few...

I don't need to agree or disagree with the benefits, I would just like the Farage/Brexit supporter to list the benefits

Most of the things you mention, The UK could have done whilst in the EU.

Brexit has damaged the UK, Farage knows it but he doesn't care.

You and I will not agree on Brexit but I hoped we would agree on the grifter that Farage is. But then you admired Johnson, so maybe not.

DuncinToffee
Most of the things you mention, The UK could have done whilst in the EU

No we couldn't, or at least not to the same extent - we have far more control now.

You and I will not agree on Brexit but I hoped we would agree on the grifter that Farage is

I'm still supporting/voting Conservative - however I prefer Farage to Starmer.

I'm still supporting/voting Conservative - however I prefer Farage to Starmer.

That is a given Clav, knowing just how much you dislike Starmer

It doesn't mean you disagree that Farage is a grifter.

You prefer Farage??? Which of his policies do you support?

DuncinToffee is right - I really dislike Starmer.

Which of his policies do you support?

Ask me when they publish their general election manifesto.

To be honest I am hoping for a coalition with the Conservatives as realistically that is our only way back to government in 2029.

There is a distinct reluctance in saying what Reform policies people like

At least the ones saying they will vote Reform to get Labour out because they will be fine anyway are honest.

Farage is like Trump. He can do and say whatever he likes and never held to account and his followers believe everything he says. Starmer probably cant get a parking ticket without having to resign.

Look at Hilary Clinton versus Trump too

Am confident that the majority of the voting public haven’t forgotten 14 years of Tory damage. Unfortunately it’s going to take a long time for any party to recover from that and Reform don’t have the ability.

Pretty good, financially.

I still come across him in my line of work - however distasteful you may find his dealings with hedge funds, and Nicholas Maduro. I don’t think you need to worry about him.

Reform policies I like are:

Personal allowance to be £20K which it would have been had fiscal drag not be applied since 2008 after the financial crash.

Abandon net zero. I have seen many wind turbines installed where I live, but energy bills continue to rise. Power can be provided by small modular nuclear plants.

France ignored the EU wish to have zero nuclear power plants and reaped the benefits when oil and gas prices rose.

Reduce government wastage.

Leave the ECHR. There are nine EU members who want the ECHR to have less power to control who must take how many immigrants. Source www.lemonde.fr 27 May 2025. Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Estonian, Italy, Latvian, Lithuania, Poland and Czech Republic.

@DuncinToffee

I would just like the Farage/Brexit supporter to list the benefits

What prevents you from reading all the previous threads which have asked for the benefits of Brexit?

As Clav pointed out, you will disagree anyway because you seem to be applying the same flawed logic:

If it’s not a benefit for me, it can’t be a benefit to anyone.

You are also applying the nonsensical

People have to disapprove what I say. If they can’t, it proves I am correct

Thankfully, most countries apply the common sense principle which is the presumption of innocence.

Oh dear

Quite worrying isn't it?

@derxa

I agree with you.

There is no obligation for anyone to reveal how they voted and the reasons for their choice. It’s called freedom of choice.

Do your own research word salad?

I am quite honoured that people care so much about my opinion that they are too scared to list all those Brexit benefits

@DuncinToffee

I am not looking for a list of Brexit benefits, you are. They have already been listed on many threads in the past. So, why not read them?

Globe, I don't care what party your vote/voted for, I actually appreciated your honesty not to care because you will have left the UK anyway

@DuncinToffee

The benefits of Brexit have been provided many times in the past on MN by many different posters. Use the search engine to find them.

Regards boat crossing, remember the following:

Correlation and causation are not the same thing. The Oxford Dictionary defines causation as:

1. the action of causing something.
2. "the postulated role of nitrate in the causation of cancer"
3. the relationship between cause and effect; causality.
4. plural noun: causations
5. "a strong association is not a proof of causation

Point 5 is key.

Also, remember there is no requirement for anyone to disprove.

@DuncinToffee

Look at the thread titled Can Someone Give me one positive of Brexit that appeared 5 December 2023. It attracted 1000 posts.

Several posters remarked that the same type of question appeared regularly. Posters provided what they considered to be positives they had experienced.

So, your statement that people are afraid to list benefits is incorrect. It’s been done many times.

Morning @GlobeTrotter2000

The Farage Brexit has been a great success for the UK 🦄

@DuncinToffee

Brexit was neither initiated nor implemented by Farage. The timeline was:

2013

David Cameron stated there would be a referendum on EU membership if he won the next general election.

2015

David Cameron wins the election.

Vote Leave was founded in October 2015 by political strategists Matthew Elliott and Dominic Cummings as a cross-party campaign. It involved Members of Parliament from the Conservative Party, Labour Party and the sole UKIP MP, Douglas Carswell along with MEP Daniel Hannan and Conservative peer Lord Lawson.

2016

Leave received more votes than remain in the referendum.

2017

498 MPs voted to trigger Article 50.

2019

Conservatives won the general election with a majority and UK. The Liberal Democrat’s stood on a manifesto of revoking Article 50, but they received fewer votes than in 2017.

2020

UK leaves the EU after over two and half years of attempts to thwart the decision made by MPs in 2017.

2024

Labour win the election and double the number of seats compared to 2019 even though they received fewer votes than in 2019.

Nigel Farage becomes an MP for the first time, eleven years after David Cameron stated there would be referendum on EU membership.

Reform received approx 4 million votes. A six fold increase compared to 2017.

Brexit has been good for me. Judging by the outcome of the general elections held since the 2017 vote by MPs, it’s been good for many others too.

@GlobeTrotter2000

Brexit has been good for me. Judging by the outcome of the general elections held since the 2017 vote by MPs, it’s been good for many others too.

I know, you also have a EU passport, don't you? Like Farage

You are 'alright Jack'

@DuncinToffee

I had an EU passport in 2003 which has a Bulgarian residence visa.

As per the ONS census 2021, there were 1.2% (587,600) of UK born residents were dual citizens. Of that figure, approximately 240,000 were EU (Ireland 158K, France 25K, Germany 23K, Poland 22K and Italy 19K)

The remaining 237K include countries like; US, South Africa, Australia, Pakistan and Nigeria.

So, your suggestion that it’s only those with both EU and UK passports are the only ones who are benefiting from Brexit does not hold up. 240,000 people is tiny compared to the number of people who vote for pro Brexit parties.