Brexit mega thread part 15a - looking forwards

[Talkinpeace]

Just rebooting the most recent thread

At the moment the UKs issues are rather over shadowed by events elsewhere
but maybe that is a good thing.

The German election on Sunday is worth watching
Right wing European politicians pulling out of CPAC speeches because they realise its not a good look
Farage floundering to stay relevant

and the possibility of the return of free movement for our kids if not us

Relations between mainland Europe and the UK remain a worthy topic for discussion

All members - or all but members - of the SM.

@Peregrina

No more flawed than your attempt to predict the future.

Says Perigrina who has forecast what historians will be talking about in hundreds of years time 🤔

Yes indeed. I always think that in a couple of hundred years from now, historians will look back and mark the years 1956 - 2016 as the years when the British Empire truly breathed its last.

BTW why do you want to retire to an EU country?

Bought property in Bulgaria in 2003. Four years before Bulgaria joined the EU, six years before Article 50 was completed and seventeen years before the UK left the EU

Since Bulgaria joined the EU in 2007 as a net taker, they have reduced income tax from 30% to 10%.

Mine was an opinion about what historians might think. Yours was a statement about what Countries will never do - not the same.

But I am surprised that you want to go and live in a country which is now part of something you say you don't agree with.

@Peregrina

Yours was a statement about what Countries will never do - not the same.

Not my statement, but statements made by; Iceland, Norway and Switzerland.

But I am surprised that you want to go and live in a country which is now part of something you say you don't agree with.

Property was purchased in 2003 before the EU foolishly allowed the poorer Eastern European countries to join. From 2004 to 2007, thirteen countries joined who could only offer cheap labour.

@Talkinpeace

Can you explain how dead people can post on MN?

The same way unicorns can post?

@DuncinToffee

Can you name the posters who are unicorns? Maybe you are a unicorn if you know how they can post.

Brexit. The gift that keeps on taking...

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/apr/20/nhs-cancer-patients-denied-life-saving-drugs-due-to-brexit-costs-report-finds

...

English Pope time ?

I was literally going to share this article!

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you...

https://www.occrp.org/en/news/leaks-reveal-brexiteer-was-offered-russian-investment-deal

@StandFirm @MaybeNotBob

Regards cancer rates, I suggest you take note of the following. As of 2022:

UK is the 14th highest.

Above the UK are:

13th Sweden - EU member
12th Croatia - EU member
11th Belgium - EU member
10th Hungary - EU member
9th France - EU member
8th Netherland - EU member
7th Ireland - EU member
6th Canada - Non EU
5th Norway - EEA
4th USA - Non WU
3rd Denmark - EU member
2nd New Zealand - Non EU
1st Australia - Non EU

53rd Bulgaria - Poorest EU member

58th Zimbabwe - Poorest country

So, I would say that cancer is more to do with lifestyle choices than money.

@MaybeNotBob

Again, you have forgotten the following facts:

The 2016 referendum was put on the table by David Cameron.

Nigel Farage was not eligible to vote on 29 March 2017.

If democracy prevents asking the same question twice, why were there so many people who voted remain in 2016 calling for a second referendum?

Then why are so many muppets like you so firmly of the opinion that IT MUST NOT HAPPEN ever again.?

Hopefully Starmer will grow a pair and make a deal with the EU before the US fully implodes.

Lammy's talks have just imploded because neither the US or Russia think the UK matters.

@MaybeNotBob

Again, you are forgetting the following facts:

Gina Miller took the government to court to argue that the party in power could not by themselves trigger Article 50 and leave the EU, but constitutionally it had to be done by an act of Parliament. Truth was that she was hoping to thwart the outcome of the referendum in 2016.

The courts ruled that Gina was correct. So, on 29 March 2017, MPs voted on whether or not the UK should remain in the EU. The outcome was that 498 elected MPs decided that UK should not remain in the EU compared to 113 MPs who thought the UK should remain. A huge majority.

So, even if there was another referendum, the decision whether or not to apply for EU membership would have to be made by Parliament. Even if Parliament voted by a majority to apply there is not guarantee that membership would be granted. It only takes one member to say no and that’s the end.

Countries most likely to object I would say will be:

France 1st
Germany 2nd
Spain 3rd
Ireland 4th

Hopefully Starmer will grow a pair….

Doubtful as he seems not to understand the difference between those that have a pair and those who do not.

And you are still deliberately ignoring everything that has been posted just so you can repeat the same tired nonsense ad nauseum...

Again, you are forgetting the following facts:

Gina Miller took the government to court to argue that the party in power could not by themselves trigger Article 50 and leave the EU, but constitutionally it had to be done by an act of Parliament. Truth was that she was hoping to thwart the outcome of the referendum in 2016.^

What happened was that Gina Miller took the Government to court with a man called Deir Tozetti Dos Santos. He always gets written out of the story.

Truth was that she was hoping to thwart the outcome of the referendum in 2016.

That is not a fact but an opinion. I believe that Dos Santos had actually voted Leave. In which case he would have been unlikely to have wanted to thwart the result. IMO he would have wanted the correct procedure to be followed. But that as I say, is an opinion - since I don't know him, I can't say that this is what he wanted for a fact.

@MaybeNotBob

And you are still deliberately ignoring everything that has been posted just so you can repeat the same tired nonsense ad nauseum...

Since 23 June 2016 many remain supporters have made the following statements:

52:48 was not enough to prove the majority of the UK wanted to leave the EU

Completely irrelevant as the decision to leave was made by 498 elected MPs.

If one of the UK members voted to remain, then the entire UK shall remain in the EU

Again, more garbage as the question was shall the UK remain in the EU. That the UK has more than one state is immaterial.

@Peregrina

So, why did Gina Miller set up a tactical voting website encouraging people to vote for the Liberal Party in the 2019 general election?

Gina has cancer which she suspects may have been triggered by stress caused by her involvement in Brexit. With hindsight she says she would not have become involved so much .

To Globetrotter

No idea about why Gina MIller has done whatever in the past. Just pointing out that your statement of fact was actually an opinion, because you had conveniently forgotten that she didn't act alone.

But weren't Brexiters supposed to be keen on Sovereignty, which is now enacted through Parliament, so why did they have such problems when someone thought that Parliament ought to have the last word?

But you got your Brexit. You won, get over it.

"Completely irrelevant as the decision to leave was made by 498 elected MPs."

You know this is arrant nonsense. They would never have made that decision had the ^advisory" referendum, won with great Russian interference, had the result it did.

Your constant harping on about it being the decision of MPs is utter rubbish, and I'm sure you know that as you are only here to peddle disinformation and to shut down debate.

Ho hum...