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Brexit mega thread part 13: All eyes on Ireland

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SerendipityJane · 23/03/2024 09:11

With the Windsor framework up & running, and the DUP having a "you could set your calendar by it" hissy fit, but Irish unification refusing to keep it's head down, what next in the long running sage of UK vs. the real world ?

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SerendipityJane · 10/04/2024 11:27

IItisymoi · 10/04/2024 11:23

Perhaps some Leave voters/Brexiteers would like to reflect on the fact Mr Barnier and the EU commission Insisted on an organised TCA and NIP as well as the Withdrawal agreement rathyer than the headbanger ERG insistence that the UK Leaves with NOTHING but simply revert to a 'basic' WTO agreement with essentially NO trade deals with ANYBODY. By now there would have been fighting on UK streets for food if the EU had insisted the EU exporters followed the letter of the 'law' (trade rules) as it was in 2016. Just some of which was mulled over by Remain voters 'back in the day'.

It is very much in the EUs self-interest to not have a failed state with nuclear weapons on their doorstep.

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IItisymoi · 10/04/2024 11:42

(It is very much in the EUs self-interest to not have a failed state with nuclear weapons on their doorstep.)
While I agree, it would be very foolish to think the UK could threaten the EU in any way , leastwise the UK is effectively surrounded by EU countries (only Ireland having a land border of course) so would starve pretty rapidly because Brexiteers haven't cottoned to the FACT that there are not stockpiles of unrequired foods around the world that could be diverted to the UK not to mention the UK will run out of money to PAY for such foods. Shipping is still disrupted from the war in the Red Sea. Crops have suffered in many parts of the world, including the EU who are effectively duty bound to look after EU member states.

SerendipityJane · 10/04/2024 11:44

IItisymoi · 10/04/2024 11:42

(It is very much in the EUs self-interest to not have a failed state with nuclear weapons on their doorstep.)
While I agree, it would be very foolish to think the UK could threaten the EU in any way , leastwise the UK is effectively surrounded by EU countries (only Ireland having a land border of course) so would starve pretty rapidly because Brexiteers haven't cottoned to the FACT that there are not stockpiles of unrequired foods around the world that could be diverted to the UK not to mention the UK will run out of money to PAY for such foods. Shipping is still disrupted from the war in the Red Sea. Crops have suffered in many parts of the world, including the EU who are effectively duty bound to look after EU member states.

The UK has been quite effectively stitched up like a (U)kipper and contained in a little box where it can do very little damage to the EU - even if it wanted.

Right now, it's arguable that the UKs thrashing around in bondage is actually strengthening the alliance overall.

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HannibalHeyes · 10/04/2024 12:09

If only there was some sort of Union that we could be a part of that had a reserve to help out in these sort of situations...

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IItisymoi · 10/04/2024 12:25

The only recent 'UK news' in France was Kate possibly photoshopping a portrait picture. Brexit as a term is never mentioned. There are of course far more pressing issues of which I suspect climate change being involved in substantial flooding and linking it to farming and land (river) management should be an interesting line of discussion as it crosses land borders of course.

IItisymoi · 10/04/2024 14:54

The upside to this is that Italian waiters can now force English tourists to speak Italian when they are in Italy. I have happily been 'second class' in France while I try to learn French and often grateful when I have found French who are good enough to speak English to help me out when necessary. Of course I will be in trouble when I go to Spain to work next week but at least I can cross the border without a passport or even stopping.

SerendipityJane · 11/04/2024 10:11

The suspension scheme operates under the World Trade Organization's (WTO) Most Favored Nation status, meaning the removal of tariffs applies equally regardless of where the good is coming from.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britain-suspends-import-duties-over-100-items-2024-04-10

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IItisymoi · 11/04/2024 14:21

Thanks Duncin:
Oh look there is no representation from the UK it seems because the EU is so unelected and undemocratic that the Brexiteers said the UK should leave.

SerendipityJane · 11/04/2024 14:31

IItisymoi · 11/04/2024 14:21

Thanks Duncin:
Oh look there is no representation from the UK it seems because the EU is so unelected and undemocratic that the Brexiteers said the UK should leave.

Lest we forget - what Nadine - now Nadine - Dorries had to say

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nadie-dorries-slams-brexit-deal-leave-remain-jk-rowling-a8639216.html

Leave-voting MP Nadine Dorries slams May's Brexit deal because UK won’t have seats in European parliament

'This is a very sad place to be'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nadie-dorries-slams-brexit-deal-leave-remain-jk-rowling-a8639216.html

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IItisymoi · 11/04/2024 14:47

2 years to work this out, did she not have a friend to phone to explain that leaving means Leaving?

DuncinToffee · 12/04/2024 09:34

Example A

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IItisymoi · 12/04/2024 09:50

Of course the 'funny' thing is that the WTO places many of the constraints on trade worldwide as part of it's core regulations for which only about 3 countries(?) are not in a 'trade block' of which there are over 100 interconnected Trade blocks and the UK has taken itself to the the 'bottom end ' of all the trade deals that are of any practical use to the UK. Funny that the EU negotiators understood all this and wrote suitable legislation into the Withdrawal Agreement, TCA and eventually the NIP while the UK with it's 'stellar MEPS like Farage and Widdicome were busy sticking their fingers up at the European Parliament and would have received the necessary discussion papers (if they bothered to read anything anyway) because the EP makes all discussion papers easy to finf online in multiple languages even if the proceedings are possibly domionated by English language speakers, all the more reason to be disgusted by Farage, Widdicome and the other UK MEPs

SerendipityJane · 12/04/2024 09:50

DuncinToffee · 12/04/2024 09:34

Example A

I don't think Rees-Mogg falls into that category. He's more than happy to use such people for his own selfish ends which is worse, really. He knows exactly what the score is. Just doesn't care.

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HannibalHeyes · 12/04/2024 11:18

Exactly! He profits from Disaster Capitalism, so he's just trying to sound "reasonable" in the hope that the idiots of North Somerset will keep voting for him.

IItisymoi · 12/04/2024 11:46

{Exactly! He profits from Disaster Capitalism,}
Thanks Hannibal, you have dragged up the D,C. theme that the earlier parts of this thread (or it's predecessor) discussed which is probably now becoming more apparent if you actually look at what is happening in the UK rather than reading tabloid headlines which conveniently overlook the real downsides.

SerendipityJane · 12/04/2024 15:54

Seen elsewhere

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SerendipityJane · 13/04/2024 15:30

Do the despicable politicians who lied and connived feel the slightest tinge of regret or guilt at the utter shambolic and expensive mess of Brexit as the gift that keeps on taking?

Of course not. They are insulated from it.

And instead of wanting revenge on them, farmers also want to be insulated from the effects of their decisions.

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DrBlackbird · 13/04/2024 16:04

Yes, true. The likes of JRM and Frost and Davis and the ERG all still have their homes in France and possibly Irish citizenship and will fuck off post next GE to their clubs and directorships leaving the little people to wallow in the entirely avoidable economic quagmire of Brexit.

I’ll have to check out the Brexit fantasy benefits thread so I can feel comfort of some sort.

DuncinToffee · 15/04/2024 10:10

For the Republic, Brexit is now secondary issue

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2024.04.14-121343/www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2024/04/14/did-we-catastrophise-brexit#selection-1711.0-1711.48" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2024.04.14-121343/www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2024/04/14/did-we-catastrophise-brexit/#selection-1711.0-1711.48

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Not sure what is going on with the link
Here it is as well
https://x.com/LizWebsterSBF/status/1779490808946737352

GlobeTrotter2000 · 17/04/2024 16:30

@Peregrina Osborne and Cameron introduced their austerity programmes back in 2010. Not much overlap there with the pandemic, war or leaving the EU.

I remember the austerity programme was due to the financial crisis and first measures began in late 2008 when labour were in power. The coalition of Cons/LibDems continued from 2010 onwards.

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