Brexit mega thread part 13: All eyes on Ireland

[SerendipityJane]

With the Windsor framework up & running, and the DUP having a "you could set your calendar by it" hissy fit, but Irish unification refusing to keep it's head down, what next in the long running sage of UK vs. the real world ?

I guess the forlorn hope is that although Starmer has said that Labour won't rejoin, I don't think he's mentioned about the possibility of having another referendum. Because if a referendum was held then it would become the Willy of the People and therefore sacrosanct (particularly if it was won by 52% to 48%)...

Waits for the "Global" shift to clock in and completely misinterpret the above post, and then repost a massive stream of irrelevant waffle...

If there ever were to be another referendum, it would have to have a super majority built in. This doesn't seem fair but it would be the only way. Even then, it wouldn't shut the brexiters up. With Gibraltar the result was well over 90% in favour of staying in the EU - a convincing result by anyone's standards. This didn't stop Rees-Mogg from having a hissy fit when Gib and Spain agreed a border deal.

I sincerely hope that we see a swathe of Brexiters lose their seats at the forthcoming election. In addition to those like Gove and Leasdom who have run away.

It's no secret for me the consolation prize for Brexit was the clear as day annihilation it would bring on the Tory party.

In fact, I think that the regular posters on these threads could club together and buy a moonpig special thanking the Tory party for their selfless sacrifice in order that the UK could enjoy the benefits of Brexit.

Under 25’s make up 29% of the UK population. Likewise, under 18’s make up 17.5%. So, those between 18 and 25 (ie, eligible to vote) make up 11.5% of the voting population.

84% of 11.5% is 9.6%. Hardly shattering and makes the assumption that polls are accurate which is highly doubtful based on previous polling from 2013 to 2916 regards EU membership which favoured a remain result.

@Peregrina

Labour are now Brexiters too as they have made it clear that they will not campaign to rejoin the; EU, customs union or single market.

@SerendipityJane

What difference does it make if the Conservative Party vanish taking into account that Labour have stated they will not campaign to rejoin the; EU, customs Union or single market?

My hope it that voters realise that Labour is just another spelling of Conservative and move to Reform Party in the future.

Also for information, Michelle Barnier (former EU negotiator) is on record that Macron is pushing France closer to Frexit due his failure to recognise the impacts of immigration.

Barni also warned that other EU members may wish to leave the EU too due to immigration.

Oh, it's AI time is it ?

Here's my ha'path

Oh Shut up Globtrooter2000. You support Farage, a fascist spiv who supports Putin. You would like to see the EU fall apart.

You would soon shut up if war in Europe came nearer than Ukraine, and if it was your house bombed, your family killed.

Did you stand in front of a mirror when you typed that

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/23/uk-says-importers-making-deliberate-errors-on-forms-to-avoid-brexit-border-charges

Now who would have thought that some importers would flout the rules and declare medium value goods as low value to avoid the import charge or declare high value as medium to lower the cost. !

My kids both took Maths exams the day after the vote
visceral
will never
forget or forgive

HOW LONG will it take for EVERYONE in the UK to understand that the UK JOINING the EU would be many decades away even if there was a 100 percent result in multiple UK referenda 'demanding' to join? All this nonsense about joining is so very annoying as it simply WON'T happen. The UK has comprehensively blotted it's copybook and the EU has no time to waste on proven liars who continually whine and disrupt.
Joining the EU is the same situation when you have flattened your cat by driving over it it will nEVER be alive again. A good taxidermist might make a reasonable likeness but it will never be alive and thriving.

@Peregrina

Countries that produce Oil want the war between Russia and the Ukraine to continue forever as it keeps oil prices high. As simple explanation is:

War in Ukraine = high oil prices
High oil prices = larger profits for oil companies
Larger profits for oil companies = larger tax revenues for governments

EU institutions have given Approx. Euro 30 Billion to the Ukraine, but the EU estimates the Windfall Tax to be Euro 140 Billion. A ratio of 14 to 3 in favour of the EU.

UK has given Approx. Euro 9 Billion to the Ukraine, but the UK estimates the Windfall Tax to be Euro 33.6 Billion. A ratio of 11.2 to 3 in favour of the UK.

So, the EU is making more profit from the Ukraine war than the UK.

@Talkinpeace will never forget or forgive

To whom do you refer?

Cameron (an advocate of remain) for placing the referendum on the table in 2016 without a feasibility study?, or

Those who did not vote for the Liberal Democrats in the 2019 general election?

or,

Those who, on the 4 July 2024, will vote for the Parties who have stated they will not rejoin the, EU, customs union or single market?

@IItisymoi All this nonsense about joining is so very annoying as it simply WON'T happen

I agree, but not for the reasons you have suggested.

Globetrotter clearly fails to understand that several EU countries have BORDERS with Russia and the Ukraine so it is in the interests of the EU to prevent Putin trying to take MORE countries by force, unlike the UK which simply allows Russian oligarchs to buy knighthoods and influence UK government work. Globe, like Clavinova are happy to cut and paste random outof date nonsense but totally unable to understand what is best for PEOPLE as a whole. Eventually Putin and his merry followers will twig that so many oligarchs have plundered the Russian economy and we will see a purge of said oligarchs, falling out of high windows, strange tasting tea perhaps as an act of vindictiveness.

Furthermore countries like Poland know only too well exactly what it's like to lived under Russian domination for decades. Which the misnamed Globetrotter seems not to.

Generally speaking Brexiters have a poor understanding of geography.

HOW LONG will it take for EVERYONE in the UK to understand that the UK JOINING the EU would be many decades away even if there was a 100 percent result in multiple UK referenda 'demanding' to join? All this nonsense about joining is so very annoying as it simply WON'T happen. The UK has comprehensively blotted it's copybook and the EU has no time to waste on proven liars who continually whine and disrupt.

I agree - the Brexiter generation will need to have completely passed away. By this I mean the political classes and passed away more in a political sense. It is notable now many of the leading Brexiter campaigners like Gove have decided to cut their Parliamentary careers short. Someone like Gove could easily have gone on for another 30 years and I suspect might well have been prepared to had the Brexit he wanted been a success. Other people standing down, like Peter Bottomley who is I think 91, well, it's fair to say, they have done their bit. (I have no idea what stance Bottomley took re Brexit.)

There are still Tories who think the Corn Laws are current.

"Globetrotter clearly fails to understand."
You could just have left that there, @IItisymoi, no need to elaborate.

Jaichange
I agree BUT it needs explaining because so many are FAILING to comprehend WHY. Farage gets attention because he says ONE sentence that is correct but then immediately veers off into total fantasy land with vaguely related subject matter but it is all then twisted.

HOW LONG will it take for EVERYONE in the UK to understand that the UK JOINING the EU would be many decades away

But on reflection, I don't think we can be sure it's decades. Communism collapsed in 1989 but by 2004 a fair number of E European countries had joined. Whether this rapid expansion was a good thing is something which can be discussed.

@IItisymoi so it is in the interests of the EU to prevent Putin trying to take MORE countries by force

It's not necessary for Russia to invade other countries to keep the oil price high. One war is enough.

Eventually Putin and his merry followers will twig that so many oligarchs have plundered the Russian economy and we will see a purge of said oligarchs, falling out of high windows, strange tasting tea perhaps as an act of vindictiveness.

What a pile. I represented the Russian national operator, LME, for several years in Iraq when the oil price was down to US$30/barrel between 2015 and 2016. They made a deal with the Iraqi government that they would take the oil instead of money.

So, Russia stockpiled oil measured in the 10's of billions of barrels which they could sell to China and India in readiness they were sanctioned by the West.

@Peregrina but by 2004 a fair number of E European countries had joined.

Germany wanted the E. European countries in the EU to reduce the possibility they returned to Russia. Also, access to cheaper labour became much more easy.

@IItisymoi
Rejoining the EU and getting a seat at the table and a vote - yup, decades away
Rejoining the single market and thus reducing paperwork - would suit quite a few EU countries that have to deal with the UK
but the UK will be very much a rule taker
ha ha