Brexit mega thread part 13: All eyes on Ireland

[SerendipityJane]

With the Windsor framework up & running, and the DUP having a "you could set your calendar by it" hissy fit, but Irish unification refusing to keep it's head down, what next in the long running sage of UK vs. the real world ?

Patients in England ration drugs as supply crisis hitsPeople with cystic fibrosis, epilepsy and diabetes among those struggling with medicine shortages

https://www.ft.com/content/c6931993-260c-4241-b289-f1f1dd49f028

Brexit has “exacerbated” the problem in the UK by increasing checks on imports and leading companies to exclude the country from their supply chains, according to the Nuffield Trust.

“There’s an extra burden to get drugs into the UK but we’d still have big medicine problems if we were still in the EU,” said Mark Dayan, Brexit programme lead and author of the think-tank report.

Interesting thread in caht right now about brit-hating tourist spots, mainly in Europe.

I find myself wondering if the locals of such towns have twigged that they don't have to put up with the Brits in the same way they might have to put up with Italians, Germans, Dutch, and Austrians (off the top of my head). In fact they may just be limbering up to start using the sovereignty we kindly gave them.

Just look at the opportunities denied to our young people by this stupid fucking vote;

https://youth.europa.eu/discovereu_en

@HannibalHeyes

If the EU had moved on the 90/180 Schengen guideline as requested by France and Spain, maybe the UK would not rejected the youth mobility scheme suggested by the EU.

Remember that negotiation is a a two way process.

@DuncinToffee

Maybe you need to read articles more thoroughly. A recent Reuters article on the same subject included the statement:

"We know many of the problems are global and relate to fragile chains of imports from Asia, squeezed by COVID-19 shutdowns, inflation and global instability," said Nuffield Trust Brexit Programme Lead Mark Dayan.

Also the Nuffield trust is quoted as saying:

The Nuffield Trust said the UK leaving the EU “has not caused the recent spike in medicine shortages” and that EU countries also faced global supply problems. But Brexit had contributed to difficulties by lowering the value of sterling and removing the UK from EU supply chains.

You don't half talk a load of shit.

Also the Nuffield trust is quoted as saying:

The Nuffield Trust said the UK leaving the EU “has not caused the recent spike in medicine shortages” and that EU countries also faced global supply problems. But Brexit had contributed to difficulties by lowering the value of sterling and removing the UK from EU supply chains.

This is a fairly important bit - we have the same problems as the EU, exacerbated by Brexit. Got it, Globe?

Do you understand what extra burden and exacerbated mean?

I'm SO glad I don't bother reading his posts

Time to post some more shite ?

Yeah, sorry for that

@pointythings But Brexit had contributed to difficulties by lowering the value of sterling and removing the UK from EU supply chains.

In 2013 Sterling was Euro 1.14 which lower than it is today.

What's that got to do with anything?

Two butterflies can lift an elephant.

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Now it is time for Globe to discuss how since it appears Europe is turning to the Right and there will be a lot of anger directed to the UK that has cost all EU citizens Billions that attitudes towards the UK will harden such as ensuring ALL checks and treaties signed up in the Withdrawal agreement and TCA are followed to the letter together with no requirement for the EU to 'help out' as global warming effects reduce the ability of the UK to feed itself and of course CPTTP countries will not rush to the UK's aid either as they have their own problems, be it can't or won't help, and certainly not for a discount. The EU let the UK leave in a 'passive' manner, the time may now be for the EU sovereign countries to become 'hostile' to the UK. For the UK, the good times are now over.

Interesting that a 'new' thread appeared this morning saying how good Brexit is but it has now disappeared, presumably withdrawn by it's 'author' as my comments on it were a paraphrase of my previous post here.
The problem with far right groups is that you never know what they will wreck and who they will demonise in the process. With Bardella and LePen crowing about successes in France (through which, much of EU's trade with the UK travels) things could get rather fun this summer. RN use the term 'immigrants' in a loose way, like the Brexit leave voters did and do so the risk of 'incidents' involving Brits in certain places is increasing.

EU turns to the right: Europe faces a new reality, with polls suggesting populist gains in this week's elections.

Sorry it is a Daily Fail headline but for once, strangely it seems pretty accurate although avoiding sopeculation of where things will lead; Of course much will depend on Putins activities and Gaza of course as well as ripples from the USA and China. Such a wonderful time for the UK to be 'OUT' of Europe but still heavily dependent on Europe for security and even food.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/10/brexit-italian-driver-lorry-uk-border-post-sevington

@IItisymoi The EU let the UK leave in a 'passive' manner,

Development of Article 50 commenced in 2000 and was signed off by all 28 EU members in December 2009. A duration over 9 tears. It reads:
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

A total of 261 words. That's an average of 2.5 words per calendar month. What an easy job (and likely very well paid) that was for someone in the EU. Article 3 essentially says there are two years (or longer if both Parties agree to an extension) to make a deal or leave with no deal and all treaties cease to apply.

the time may now be for the EU sovereign countries to become 'hostile' to the UK.

I am unable to find in Article 50 where it specifies the EU shall behave in a hostile manner to a member who exercised their rights made in accordance with an agreement made by all EU members . However, if it is obligatory for the EU to pursue such action, please provide a link as I am curious to see how the EU law defines hostility and how it will establish when sufficient hostility has been applied.

@SerendipityJane

I can't see 68 million people in the UK being bothered about a lorry driver, whose load contained poisonous plants, being stopped whilst things are checked out. Sounds like his employer had not advised him for what may happen at the other end and suggested necessary precautions/preparations.

Before I mobilized to Iraq in 2012, my employer (Multinational Oil Operator whose name begins with S and resembles things which can be found on a beach) advised as follows:

Some expats had waited up to 30 hours at passport control before the Iraqi controllers found their visa applications approved by immigration department in Baghdad. The long time frame was that applications were not sorted alphabetically in the lever arch files. Also, when someone was eventually found, they started at the beginning again to look for the next person.

Therefore do not forget to take:

Water (don't trust the water in the airport)
Sandwiches (there is no catering in the passport control)
Tissue paper and/or anti bacteria wipes (toilets in passport control rarely have any tissue)
Medication if needed
Something to read

Globe managing to spectacularly miss the point (again).
The UK asked to leave the EU, the UK was not forced to leave by any of the EU members. It was Cameron stamping his feet like a spoiled child brecause the EU did not bow to his 'demands' (and nor should the EU).
It is my personal opinion that the EU could and possibly should NOW enforce the terms of the Withdrawal agreement and TCA To the letter which will FEEL like punishment to the Leave voters because they simply didn't understanfd whad Leaving really means in practice. Obviously Globe the troll suffers problems with understanding: I Know I do because I have a 'dead' area in my brain caused by abuse by UK solicitors but I can still put a moderately good argument together.

Last time I went to Iraq I had a great time, very interesting. Unlike globe I have interest and respect for other people wherever they are from.
The Italian lorry was not carrying poisonous plants but it neatly highlights that after 8 years the UK government still haven't a clue what Leaving the EU actually means or at least has not put resources into dealing with things that were known by the UK civil Service beforehand.

@IItisymoi

You may want to look at:

Global Food Security Index (GFSI) (economist.com)

Countries which have a greater food security risk than the UK include:

USA - The so called invincible nation
Germany - The so called EU powerhouse

scary things hedges
https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/14003/prunus-lusitanica/details