Brexit mega thread part 13: All eyes on Ireland

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With the Windsor framework up & running, and the DUP having a "you could set your calendar by it" hissy fit, but Irish unification refusing to keep it's head down, what next in the long running sage of UK vs. the real world ?

Brexit, driving down standards......

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/brexit-freedoms-used-to-slash-red-tape-for-businesses?utmmedium=email&utmmcampaign=govuk-notifications-topic&utmsource=ec3cac1d-ab1c-4085-bc51-033aa4defa26&utmmcontent=immediately

"Just listened to the "Room 101" podcast with Steph McGovern where she detailed the problems with "balance" BBC-style. Which is where no matter what the topic, you need to have someone putting the opposing "view". Brexit was used as an example."

I stopped listening to Radio 4, in particular the PM programme which used to be my daily dose of British news (I live abroad), during the run up to the referendum as I was so outraged that so much time was given to Farage and his ilk's views on Brexit whilst nobody pro-EU was brought on to contest their skewed view of Brexit "facts". Balanced, my backside. (Ditto Trump at round about the same time.) There were daily pro-Brexit soundbites but I cannot remember ever hearing anyone propounding the valid reasons for staying in the EU. It was ridiculous. My BP still rises at the thought of it.

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Interesting username;
Ich Auch (with due apologies for German speakers)

@IItisymoi - I may well have told this story here before. My long-dead father was in the French Resistance. We found out quite late in his life (he didn't tell us) that he'd been awarded the Légion d'Honneur for some reason (WWII related) he wasn't particularly proud of, being a conscientious objector at heart. He had escaped to northern Spain from Vichy France but was captured and interned in a camp for Canadians. The story he told was that he'd given the name "Smith", pretending he was Canadian to avoid being sent back to France, and one morning during roll call, his ruse was discovered as he completely forgot to answer to Smith (knowing my day-dreaming father, we could well believe it) and was duly discovered and returned to France. One of his favourite songs was this one: and so I use this pseudonym in his honour.
Apologies for digressing.

The tales our grandparents could tell.

I was working in Oxfordshire today.
Thousands of acres of barley are not being planted because the soil is waterlogged
and the seed is too cold to store for a year
watch food chain issues get worse in coming months

Brexit border controls, which will make trade with our European neighbours massively more difficult and expensive, will cost us at least £4.7 billion to implement, according to a new National Audit Office report.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/post-brexit-border-checks-to-cost-nearly-5bn-after-multiple-delays-3064144

All continuing to go well...

More winning

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/racing/worldtour-teams-cite-brexit-and-race-uncertainty-as-reasons-for-skipping-tour-of-britain-women

Posted this on the wrong thread

@IItisymoi You were EXPECTED to at least make a bit of effort to find out WHAT would change if/when the UK left the EU:

When in the EU 2015 referendum act, or

UK Law, or:

The booklet Cameron sent to each household,

Was that statement made? Even it was, how could it be checked before they voted?

I remember from the past a poster who stated that people should be examined in economics and the GFA before they were allowed to vote in the 2016 referendum. How would that have been done? Who sets the questions? How much would it cost to prepare and mark an exam paper presented to 45 million people?

It seems Brexiterers were just too damn lazy to even think about how the world actually works and the UK's ever decreasing role in it

To know that, then you must personally know all those who voted Brexit in 2016, about 17.4 million. If so, please post their:

Names
Date of birth
National Insurance number
Address.

About 16.1 million voted to remain. Can you provide evidence that each of them spent: years, months, weeks, days or even minutes researching before they voted?

Or did they vote remain due to fear of:

They may be one of the 500,000-800,000 who would lose their job if there was a vote to leave.

There would be an emergency budget that would destroy the UK.

House prices would crash.

Or WW3 as suggested by David Cameron.

@Peregrina So to pretend that they are not issues because they haven't been written down is nonsense.

Contracts relate to the terms and conditions written into the agreement signed by both parties. Subjects considered relevant are listed in the contract. Subjects which are not considered relevant are excluded.

All 28 members of the EU signed Article 50 in December 2009 which contains the statement

Rather, the procedure and consequences of a withdrawal from the EU are now governed by EU law and no recourse to international law is possible.

The link is

Briefing European Parliamentary Research Service (europa.eu)

Therefore the GFA does not prevent any EU member, including at the time Ireland and the UK, from leaving the EU. Hence it was not necessary to make reference to the GFA in the booklet sent to all UK households.

Oh dear, the shills have been told to start muddying the waters for the campaign...

Although shitting the waters might be a more appropriate phrase...

But the booklet.......

Yep. Sod Magna Carta, or the Declaration of Independence, the Holy Booklet of Cameron is the most high.

Wonders to self what ridiculous word salad has been posted this time

Reminds self not waste time by reading his word salad

I didn't bother with most of it, but it started with "but Cameron's booklet".

A bit like "but her emails"...

I didn't bother to read GlobeTrotters email even though I got a mention. The referendum was 8 years ago, and we have Brexit, so it's all irrelevant.

Let us together recite the Sacred Prayer from the Holy Booklet of Cameron

"Five is right out ..."

I'm sorry, I'm not keeping up here at the back. Is that a reference to "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", or something completely different?

" Brother Maynard, the Book of Armaments please ..."

Things can only get better

Both in July and November

@Peregrina The referendum was 8 years ago, and we have Brexit, so it's all irrelevant

So, why are people (remainers) making the arguments:

The 2016 referendum was not binding.
The difference between leave and remain was too small to be binding.
That not all UK members voted by a majority to leave, the referendum was not binding.

The date for the next general election was set 23 May 2024 and will take place 4 July 2024.

The question time held on 23 May 2024 focussed on what people thought what the UK main problems were and what the parties would tackle first. Subjects raised were:

NHS
Cost of living
Funding for Universities
IR 35
Taxes for higher earners
Safety for women
Knife crime and drug abuse in schools.

Brexit or rejoining the EU was not raised by the audience. Nor was it mentioned by any of the parties when answering questions.

It seems Brexiterers were just too damn lazy to even think about how the world actually works and the UK's ever decreasing role in it

To know that, then you must personally know all those who voted Brexit in 2016, about 17.4 million. If so, please post their:

This reply by globetrotter is just so incredibly lame he/she/it is way below contempt. I am disgusted by the ridiculous lack of intelligence or even commpn deceency to bother to do their own research. With their lack of knowledge and NO inclination to learn, the UK will never prosper unless they get off their backsides to LEARN and make efforts to integrate into the real world outside the Island(s) of the UK. Certainly no other country will put effort in to 'save' the UK. Asset strip certainly but as an island of people that are happy (well the Leave voters are) to demonstrate their refusal to accept world norms after 8 years the UK has to learn how to go it alone. NO ONE is going to spoon deed the Leave voters (Brexiteers) Hell you struggle to get staff to work in nursing homes for various reasons.
Globetrotter must explain HOW over 45 years of gradual merging of laws and regulations could possibly be undone in a matter of a couple of years which he/she seems to expect. The link to the European Parliament text about Article 50 was interesting, particularly as I had literally half an b=hour beforehand watched the debate in France between the prime minister (Mr Attal) and the far right representative of RN (a right wing party) where Attal rightly ripped large holes in the right wing arguments because they have no plans that would actually work (just like Brexit).