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Brexit mega thread part 11: is fucktastrophy a word?

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mirages08 · 25/05/2023 12:11

Part 11 of this mega thread

Couldn't see a new one?

Hope you don't mind a newbie starting it!

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Peregrina · 29/09/2023 15:08

Alright for some

I think with the common travel area we could all still go and live there?

But it's very expensive, I believe. It would be one way to get Irish and EU citizenship, I suppose.

DuncinToffee · 01/10/2023 11:08

https://twitter.com/LizWebsterSBF/status/1708382474835742943?t=Iy-JbaCRJWEOjWblExdsbA&s=19

Planned new post-Brexit border controls on animal/plant products imported from the EU will cost businesses estimated £330mn a year in additional red tape charges, govt admitted.

The confirmation from Cabinet Office minister Lucy Neville-Rolfe in a letter to a Labour MP follows repeated warnings from logistics and food industry that the new border checks would drive up food prices.

“It will depend greatly on how businesses adapt their business models and supply chains to integrate the new controls regimes. We estimate these new costs of the model at £330mn pa overall, across all EU imports,” she wrote in the letter, seen by the FT.

From Jan European businesses exporting animal and plant products to the UK will be required to submit additional paperwork — export health certificates — with physical checks costing up to £43 a time being introduced from April 2024.

The checks are one of 20 new major policy changes between now and the end of 2024 that will impact British companies that trade internationally.

The govt has said the new border checks, which have been repeatedly delayed since Jan 2021, will add 0.2% to inflation over 3 years.

In her letter to @stellacreasy the minister said that checks were required bc the lack of a border since Brexit has “made it more challenging to intervene to combat threats to animal, plant and human health”.

In contrast to previous Conservative govts that have delayed introducing a border, Neville-Rolfe added that the new border was essential to protect against diseases such as African swine fever that are prevalent in parts of the EU.

“It would be dangerous to underestimate the huge costs both to lives and livelihoods that an outbreak of these diseases could cause to the UK,” she added.
The letter cited estimates that “around half” of the £330mn annual additional cost was accounted for by export health certificates, but adds that the decision earlier this year to introduce a lighter-touch border meant that the figure represented a “saving” for business of £520mn from original border plans.

Creasy said the controls represented additional costs for businesses as a result of Brexit, not a “saving” and urged the government to urgently rethink its approach. “British companies struggling with border paperwork to import food will have little choice over these charges meaning it’s likely British consumers will have to pick up the bill,” she said.

Labour has promised that it will seek a veterinary agreement with the EU if it wins power at the next election, which trade experts have said could reduce the levels of paperwork and border checks in both directions if it was based on sufficiently close alignment with EU rules.

@SamuelMarcLowe said the EU and the UK would need to agree to a dynamically aligned “Swiss-style” vet deal — where the UK automatically followed EU rules and submitted to elements of EU legal oversight — in order to remove the need for export health certificates.

Vet groups and farmers have welcomed the introduction of the new border, arguing it will protect UK biosecurity but also create a level playing field for 🇬🇧 exporters who have faced full EU border checks since Jan 2021.

However, trade and logistics groups said the border would drive up costs in the short, medium and long term, adding that the £330mn estimate did not represent full costs to the industry of the last three years of Brexit uncertainty.
Shane Brennan of Cold Chain Federation, said: “It is a shame that it has taken so long to just admit this candidly. What is not included in this original estimate is the cost of confusion, delayed deadlines and ongoing uncertainty.”

Peter Hardwick @BMPA_INFO added that even with the simplified certificates there would be a “massive increase” in the amount of work UK border control posts will have to do.

“Much play is made of the physical checks being reduced and risk-based [under the revised border model], but the paperwork checks alone will slow things up,” he said.

SerendipityJane · 02/10/2023 13:59

Now if they had included Tory lies and extremist rhetoric, it would have been a 200% increase.

SerendipityJane · 02/10/2023 14:01

And as I predicted, Truss is back on the campaign trail. I am guessing there is some logic to letting her oust Rish! and go down with the whole 2019-2023 government.

FrankieStein403 · 02/10/2023 15:53

Hunt planning to lose the 60k civil servants - most of whom were taken on to handle the extra work from Brexit - that's going to end well.

HannibalHeyes · 02/10/2023 17:10

Joined up thinking not a trait of this government...

SerendipityJane · 02/10/2023 17:23

HannibalHeyes · 02/10/2023 17:10

Joined up thinking not a trait of this government...

You need inefficiencies to create the fat necessary for the Tory donors pork barrel.

mathanxiety · 02/10/2023 17:38

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66981299

...in which Liz Truss appears to have been living under a rock for the last few years.

There is no other excuse for openly apeing Donald Trump.

SerendipityJane · 02/10/2023 19:26

To cut out and keep when she's PM again.

Brexit mega thread part 11: is fucktastrophy a word?
SerendipityJane · 03/10/2023 19:20

also

Brexit mega thread part 11: is fucktastrophy a word?
Jason118 · 04/10/2023 07:28

Repeat a lie often enough.....

SerendipityJane · 04/10/2023 07:34

Jason118 · 04/10/2023 07:28

Repeat a lie often enough.....

If it's job done, we don't need the tories do we ?

Jason118 · 09/10/2023 11:37

I'd love to know what the 9% base their decision on!

HannibalHeyes · 09/10/2023 12:19

We've seen it on here. Jingoism and xenophobia...

verdantverdure · 09/10/2023 12:31

Jason118 · 09/10/2023 11:37

I'd love to know what the 9% base their decision on!

Everything that's gone wrong since Brexit is nothing to do with Brexit you see.

It's often not the fault of the Tory government either.

It's the EU, Covid and Ukraine generally.

Because EU countries haven't had those to deal with.

And they definitely haven't paid for a green energy transition and massive infrastructure projects whilst we've just been paying for Brexit.

Kendodd · 09/10/2023 17:59

HannibalHeyes · 09/10/2023 12:19

We've seen it on here. Jingoism and xenophobia...

I wish all the Brexit cheerleaders from the Brexit Arms days would come back and let us know what they think now.

RafaistheKingofClay · 09/10/2023 20:08

Don't forget remoaners. A lot of the things that have gone wrong with brexit are our fault. Despite Johnson having negotisated an amazing oven ready deal and having an 80 seat majority in Parliament.

verdantverdure · 09/10/2023 20:56

RafaistheKingofClay · 09/10/2023 20:08

Don't forget remoaners. A lot of the things that have gone wrong with brexit are our fault. Despite Johnson having negotisated an amazing oven ready deal and having an 80 seat majority in Parliament.

I've never felt so powerful.

Imagine little old me forcing the Brexiteers to sign a terrible unworkable "oven ready deal" that is damaging to the U.K.

Then go round the world signing deals that are damaging to the U.K.

Who knew I had it in me?!

Jason118 · 09/10/2023 21:52

Never underestimate the power of 'being right all along' 😂

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