Is anyone still saying Brexit is good for the economy?

[Kendodd]

And does anyone still believe them if they are?

I have sensed a shift, and that Leave supporters are now saying that they knew Brexit would damage the economy but wanted it anyway. Better to lose on your own than win as part of a team.

Economists for Brexit seem to have disappeared.

@IItisymoi BUT JRM stated on tV that Shoes and food WOULD BE CHEAPER the day after the referendum in 2016 which has NOT happened

I challenge you to provide; the date and time and the name of the tV broadcast or a link that proves that statement is correct. Particularly the "CHEAPER the day" after part.

What JRM said on QT several times was that EU tariffs on: food, footwear and clothing are high and impact the poorest the most.

Food prices are rising around the World. The link is:

Food prices will climb everywhere as temperatures rise due to climate change (phys.org)

Can you prove that climate change is solely attributable to Brexit.

EU link is:

Inflation is hitting supply chains, raising food prices in Europe and threatening people’s purchasing power. Rising energy prices have increased the cost of fertilisers, packaging and transport, which has forced fruit and vegetable producers to close and supermarkets to raise prices.

Parliamentary question | Rising food prices and the potential of EU trade with neighbouring countries | E-003897/2022 | European Parliament (europa.eu)

BUT this is apparently what Brexit was for, to open the door to worldwide trade where in reality the world is moving on without the UK

Wrong. Since 2020, every country in the World has had to grapple with: pandemic and rising energy costs caused by conflcts.

Can you prove that pandemic and wars are attributable to Brexit?

Globe:
My MRI scan in January showed areas of brain damage (from a stroke 4 years ago) and I suffer various effects daily due to this BUT It seems Leave voters (Brexiteers) are incapable of working out which were the lies told by the Tories and the leave campaigns. So NO I am NOT going to do the simple homework or thinking YOU should have done BEFORE voting to leave. Alternatively, since you didn't bother to think then, the best you can do is stop your pathetic arguments and 'whataboutery' and provide ANSWERS that represent a workable path. I was 'banned' from Mumsnet some time ago because I named the Uk solicitor who deliberately drove me to suicidal thoughts which resulted in my stroke. Fortunately I have integrated into life in France well enough but repeated visits to hospital are getting embarassing, for which it is difficult to praise French health services enough.

So, GE coming up. Who do we think Putin will get behind this time?
I wonder if we'll ever see the Russia report and find out why the Tories buried it?

I think the Wall Street Journal has got a better idea than Global's handlers...

@Kendodd

If Labour win the next general election, can they not demand that the Russia report is made available? MPs were able to demand the legal advice regard's the T May pay to remain deal to made public. Once it became available, MPs voted against T May’s deal three times.

Putin is backed by:

China
India
Iran
Saudi Arabia
UAE

So, he does not need the support of the UK, EU or the USA. That the war has entered its third year proves that neither sanctions by the EU or the US have been effective and the EU and the US are not the super powers they thought they were.

@HannibalHeyes

As per LSE, the decline in productivity per worker in the UK commenced in 2008 after the World financial crisis as investment was reduced and Conservatives austerity measures were introduced.

Was the 2008 financial crisis due to Brexit? No it wasn’t as Article 50 was not passed until December 2009.

Higher productivity per head does not necessarily result in a higher total output. The working week in France as per the Code du Travail is 35 hours. The working week in the UK is 40 hours.

So,

the French would have to be 12.5% more efficient per hour to compensate for the fewer hours they work per week.

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@Viewfrommyhouse I can't believe anyone is still blaming Brexit for the economy tbh. Change the record, its been years, and plenty of other factors are now in play, which, shock horror, are affecting every country in the EU as well as the rest of the world. Bore off.

I see where you are coming from, but you are wasting your time. Posters like Dodd and others have been on MN for years with the same old lines.

It sounds like they are all in the huff as the UK never sank to the bottom of the ocean as forecast if the Vote was to leave the UK. Seems odd that remain supporters want the UK to deteriorate when it will affect them too.

I have posted several links in which the EU attributes increasing poverty in the EU due to world events such as; climate change, conflicts and pandemics. However, remain supporters say such events have made no difference to the UK and all issues in the UK are solely attributable to Brexit.

It's a bit rich seeing Global accusing others of using "the same old lines"!

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Can you point to where remain supporters have said climate change, conflict and pandemic makes no difference to the UK?
Or are you lying?

No one is saying that all the bad effects in the UK are entirely due to Brexit BUT Brexit IS making life considerably harder for UK citizens for a variety of small but significant reasons but of course Globe and other Brexiteerrs researched all the possible downsides and problems BEFORE voting to leave the EU and have factored in the ways to improve the lives of UK citizens through investment and hard work and competent government,,,, Or as is blatantly obviopus, NO they didn't and after 8 years STILL haven't got things together.

@Kendodd Can you point to where remain supporters have said climate change, conflict and pandemic makes no difference to the UK?
Or are you lying?

Some remain supporters have expressed the view that because; climate change, conflict and pandemics have effected the World, they cannot be used as reason for Brexit not producing the benefits discussed in 2016.

Serendipidty and Perigrina have expressed such views I recall.

@IItisymoi course Globe and other Brexiteerrs researched all the possible downsides and problems BEFORE voting to leave the EU

That was the task of David Cameron. He listed what would be the downsides of a vote to leave as did the UK treasury. The vote to leave was meant to have by Q2 of 2018, whilst the UK was still in the EU, produced the following:

Loss of 500,000 to 800,000 jobs
A reduction in GDP of 4%
Emergency budget that would have destroyed the UK.
Possibly even WW3 (David Cameron)

The EU has acknowledged that increasing poverty within the EU is attributable to; climate change, conflicts and pandemics. No mention of trade at all.

Germany is supposedly the power house of the EU, but it has a higher level of poverty than the UK.

Complete falsehoods there.

Nobody has said that climate change, wars etc. have not effected the UK. But Brexit has obviously to anyone with a brain made all those effects worse. It's stupid to suggest otherwise.

So it was David Cameron's job to make you look at all the possible effects of your Brexit vote? Don't like taking responsibility for their own actions, these Brexiters, do they...

That was the task of David Cameron. He listed what would be the downsides of a vote to leave as did the UK treasury.
Globe passing the buck and responsibility YET AGAIN.
He/she is the one that thinks it reasonable to have a picnic in the middle of a dual carriageway. The only 'instantaneous' effect of a major change is a nuclear xarhread hitting your city (Hiroshima/Nagasaki) so to be disappointed that the predictions of gradually failing UK have not happened fast enough is simply pathetic and sick. Of course Gtlobe is helping oput at the local foodbank today either by donating her excess food or by ferrying food parcels to others.

What amazes me is how few eu laws have been repealed. Because they're all quite sensible laws that we supported when they went through and represent best practice.

All through the referendum campaign we heard 'eu laws are holding us back'. Well, which bloody laws? It was the purest bullshit.

There's been a pro-eu majority ever since the referendum. It's not going away, young people are more pro-eu than older. We'll be back in once politicians get enough backbone to make the case.

The EU was a convenient scapegoat for everything vaguely bad, rather than politicians taking responsibility for their decisions and explaining that things aren't always easy.

Noone ever thought Brexit was for the economy. People voted Brexit for sovereignty, reduced immigration and improve NHS. Boomers had had it so good they thought sacrificing a bit of income was worth it. Some poorer people had had it so bad (especially since Tory cuts in 1980sto mid 90s + from 2010)that they wanted a change whatever.

Noone ever thought Brexit was for the economy. People voted Brexit for sovereignty, reduced immigration and improve NHS.
From BEFORE the 2016 Referendum and the 2 years AFTER there was a continual se of changing LIES told by lEAVE campaigners who nEVER explained HOW any given 'promise' might actually work (there were never any plans) it xas ALL fairy dust to cover up the ERG's plans for rampant Disaster Capitalism which although a bit of a slow burn at the start (only 10% drop in the value of the Pound at referendum day) is now gathering momentum as witnessed by the ever more crazy actions by the Tories. so many 'Brits' are massively deluded about the actual importance of the UK it is sickening.

@HannibalHeyes But Brexit has obviouslyto anyone with a brain made all those effects worse. It's stupid to suggest otherwise.

Where is the evidence the effects of; climate change, covid and pandemics are worse because of Brexit? The only way that could happen is for Brexit to be the cause of; climate change, covid and pandemic.

UK unemployment is less than before.

Poverty in Germany is higher than in the UK.
Taxes are lower in the UK than Germany and France.
Median wealth in the UK is larger than Germany.

@IItisymoi He/she is the one that thinks it reasonable to have a picnic in the middle of a dual carriageway

please quote the; date, time and thread when I, or anyone else, made that statement.

@haveatye There's been a pro-eu majority ever since the referendum. It's not going away, young people are more pro-eu than older. We'll be back in once politicians get enough backbone to make the case

Are these the same polls that forecast a remain result from 2013 and 2016?

UK won’t get back in ever. The following members will say no for the following reasons:

Germany - You beat us in two WW and the 1966 World Cup.

France - You humiliated us at Agincourt. Plus we don’t like that English is the most popular language for business.

Spain - Gibraltar is ours and we want the rent backdated.

It would be funny if it wasn't tragic. Globe complains when people paraphrase it's nonsensical witterings, insisting that they prove where it said them, and at the same time insists that others are claiming things that they aren't...