Brexit mega thread part 4 : non goady thread : Christmas edition

[Opal8]

Hi,

Longtime lurker and poster (under various nn) on Westminstenders and these threads.

I'm afraid the other thread op pissed me off a lot so here's another option for those of us that want one.

Wishing you all a Happy Christmas and good luck for 2022.

More, 'nothing to do with brexit'

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/22/food-shortages-hitting-britons-more-than-many-in-eu-poll-finds

Are Japanese fish happy fish?

I am not going to feel sorry for the owners of the Kirkella or the fishermen who voted for Brexit and any who voted Tory in 2019. The owners at least need to come out and say that yes, they voted for Brexit and yes they now realise what a big mistake it was, and start pressing for realistic change. Will that happen?

@Peregrina

I am not going to feel sorry for the owners of the Kirkella or the fishermen who voted for Brexit and any who voted Tory in 2019. The owners at least need to come out and say that yes, they voted for Brexit and yes they now realise what a big mistake it was, and start pressing for realistic change. Will that happen?

Never. They'll just cycle though an increasingly ludicrous list of reasons why they were right and it was everyone else that was wrong and the reason it's gone belly up.

The Steve Nallon sketch on Ben Elton of Mrs. Thatcher going up the down escalator is a perfect encapsulation of that mindset.

The only solution would be a programme of deBrexitaction similar to that we forced upon Germany in 1945.

Not many of them would like to admit their real reasons for voting for brexit.

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And there is already what has turned into a pro-Brexit thread running in AIBU. Where they all think it's wonderful and are boasting about how many degrees they have. Not that it's all that relevant when it comes to making business deals or even understanding international relations. (I have three myself!, and did study politics for one of them, but that doesn't mean I know about how to export.)

But I have yet to see a post which says "xxx used to be difficult for me, but now it's easier, cheaper, quicker etc." It's all "I haven't suffered."

What could probably be said is that the UK Govt people tasked with implementing Brexit seem particularly stupid - Raab hardly knowing that Great Britain was an island, almost none of them having the first idea about the N Irish situation, Truss seeming to think that we are a Pacific nation and so on.

Covid is dragged out - but since Covid is global we do have another frame of reference. Not so much is said about the vaccine roll out these days.

Peregrina Wed 22-Dec-21 15:42:14
"And there is already what has turned into a pro-Brexit thread running in AIBU. Where they all think it's wonderful and are boasting about how many degrees they have"

I've just been reading that one and they've all got PHD's !! I mean I could say I'm a professor of Quantum Physics on a random internet site! One of them even says her life is so much better since Brexshit. Perhaps she should apply for that Brexit Opportunities post !

Harriet - sadly a lot of well educated people I know are just not all that interested in politics, so tend to vote as the Mail or Telegraph tell them.

E.g. a scientist friend, very experienced in her field, said before 2019, that she would probably vote Leave in a second referendum just to get Brexit done - while admitting that most of her colleagues were EU citizens. When questioned about would she want to see her department shut because the said citizens went home and could not be replaced easily, she was thoughtful.

Well, I could claim to be the fecking Messiah on here...doesn't make it true 🙃

@Opal8

Well, I could claim to be the fecking Messiah on here...doesn't make it true 🙃

You're clearly not the Messiah, you're a very naughty Mumsnetter.

😬😊💜

But do you have a PhD? This seems to be the desired qualification to be a Brexit Expert.

I'm vaguely reminded of a story about a paranormal investigator from a while ago ... he used to give a talk and tell a tale about how he was driving and after hearing a distressed cry found himself taking a hitch hiker to hospital only to discover they had disappeared when he got there.

He used to recount that when he gave this talk, no one ever guessed the actual facts of the matter - which was that he made the whole story up.

He then used to walk the audience through all the places where they should have - and totally failed to - ask questions.

That thread shows very much that brexiteers won't admit they were wrong and when they run out of excuses they just go back to being offended by being called thick.

Very much like many covid threads.

Bit of a throw back to the brexit arms

People like Raab and Frost most definitely appear to be thick. Not only did Raab not realise how important the Calais to Dover route was, and would have been important long before the EEC was conceived, he didn't seem to realise that it was knowledge that a child in the top Junior class would know either.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-22/how-a-year-of-brexit-thumped-britain-s-economy-and-businesses

@Peregrina

People like Raab and Frost most definitely appear to be thick. Not only did Raab not realise how important the Calais to Dover route was, and would have been important long before the EEC was conceived, he didn't seem to realise that it was knowledge that a child in the top Junior class would know either.

I think you are mistaken. Its not that they appear to be thick. They are thick.

You can always use their tricks against them ...

Just keep repeating stuff like this, so that even the tiniest deviation from what True BeLeavers think should happen can be used to cast doubts on how devout La Truss really is.

Similar to the way the Inquisition used slurs to cast doubts on whether Jews had really converted ....

Let the whole fetid mess consume itself.

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Best for Britain

This may be my favourite ever Daily Express bait-and-switch Brexit piece.

The title declares Brexit to have been a disaster for German companies. Only after you scroll down do you find out it's a survey of German companies based in the UK.

twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1473732342753775629?t=hr-FJuONHZxZoi8V6N2Dew&s=19

Screenshots in tweet

@DGRossetti

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Well this is the best bit of Brexit news we have had for a long time. A Brexit Minister who by chance has noticed that their own selfish interests line up with that of the country.

Having a Phd is no guarantee of being able to evaluate the wider national implications of alienating your biggest trade partner and creating trade barriers where none previously existed. Sigh.

Nevertheless it was shocking to hear colleagues making ridiculously sweeping declarations such as ‘the European project was broken’ or that they were voting Leave because ‘Brussels was corrupt’ (but obviously Westminster wasn’t ).

We lost so many excellent researchers, scientists and political scientists who returned to the EU.

And is an ‘estate’ the current phrase for a ‘farm’?

Having a Phd is no guarantee of being able to evaluate the wider national implications of alienating your biggest trade partner and creating trade barriers where none previously existed.

I have one and I did realise that the impact on trade would be horrific. However, I really didn’t have any clue about most of the other ramifications of Brexit, including the impact on the Good Friday Agreement. Luckily there are far better informed people on these threads, so I’ve learned a lot. Even more luckily, I’m not trying to run the country…

Having been part of a university management team ( there for professional rather yhan academic skills) I'm very aware that a lot of brilliant people who can understand an engineering formula that covers a whole whiteboard have great difficulty understanding that income > expenditure=a problem, so I can easily believe that Brexit implications will have passed some by.