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Westminstenders: The New Era

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RedToothBrush · 16/05/2021 16:38

Scotland.
The GFA.
Its not Brexit Honest.
Levelling Up Shitholes caused by Tory austerity.
Babymilk Shortages
Cronyism

But we did good with covid jabs.

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MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 18/05/2021 17:20

Talking of fruit pickers and agriculture, this is showing up on the Beeb from 3 hours ago.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57157094
"UK farmers sound alarm over Australia trade talks" as the DTI 'refuses to be drawn' on the possibility of zero tariffs for imports of Australian agricultural products.

Swapping EU trade on our doorstep for the Pacific in an age of climate change was such a good option.

prettybird · 18/05/2021 17:29

Rachel Johnson doesn't have a good sense of geography and distance though Wink

Last night on Sky's Press Preview, while making the (still very valid) point that it's madness to be substituting a trade deal with somewhere 22 miles away with somewhere so far away, she said,"Australia's what, 4 or 5 thousand miles away" Confused

For the record, Sydney is ten and half thousand miles away (West Coast of Australia is c9,000 miles away Wink).

yellowspanner · 18/05/2021 17:29

Peregrina, I don't expect Boris or any politician to have loyalty to me. I expect them to carry out policies that are best for the country

Clavinova · 18/05/2021 17:34

Swapping EU trade on our doorstep for the Pacific in an age of climate change was such a good option.

No doubt Irish farmers will soon be complaining about the prospect
of an EU-Australia Trade Agreement - they complained about CETA and the proposed Mercosur deal;

Report of the 10th round of negotiations for a trade agreement between the European Union and Australia 9–19 March 2021

trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=1865

pointythings · 18/05/2021 17:36

@yellowspanner

Peregrina, I don't expect Boris or any politician to have loyalty to me. I expect them to carry out policies that are best for the country
Ah, I see. So deporting British citizens (Windrush) or threatening to do so (naturalised EU nationals) is best for the country, therefore you're OK with it. Thanks for clarifying that.
MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 18/05/2021 17:37

Who determines what is best for "the country"? What does "the country" mean? Only I can guarantee that when Boris Johnson thinks of what is best for "the country", he's not thinking of the well-being of the non-propertied classes working ridiculous hours to barely scrape enough money to cover the rent for the week. "The country" is as bad a reference point - and cover-up - as "the economy". It contains 70 million people now for cryin' out loud, with inequalities of economics, expectations and opportunities, personal and regional, that pretty much dwarf those between the countries of UK and Poland, or Lithuania.

Clavinova · 18/05/2021 17:40

prettybird
Unlike CnPova, whose CnPs I scroll past

You do realise that's not the first time you have posted that comment? My father-in-law tells the same joke 20 times. Grin

TheElementsSong · 18/05/2021 17:47

"Best for the country" is defined as "whatever a True BeLeaver currently thinks they fancy at any given time, and which may change depending on what BlowJohnson tells them at any next given time" - not sure what happens if two True BeLeavers don't happen to fancy the same thing at the same time, perhaps one gets redefined to the Traitor column?

HannibalHayeski · 18/05/2021 17:50

[quote Clavinova]Swapping EU trade on our doorstep for the Pacific in an age of climate change was such a good option.

No doubt Irish farmers will soon be complaining about the prospect
of an EU-Australia Trade Agreement - they complained about CETA and the proposed Mercosur deal;

Report of the 10th round of negotiations for a trade agreement between the European Union and Australia 9–19 March 2021

trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=1865[/quote]
Again with the "whataboutery"!

For what it's worth, if you think the EU are even contemplating tarrif free access for Australian farmers at the expense of EU farmers, I suggest you have lost whatever meagre selection of marbles you were born with...

FrankieStein402 · 18/05/2021 18:06

I don't believe anything yellowspanner writes. #NotAnAttack

De Pfeffel is a liar unfit for office #NotAnAttack #IncontrovertibleProvenTruth

Clavinova · 18/05/2021 18:15

HannibalHayeski
For what it's worth, if you think the EU are even contemplating tariff free access for Australian farmers at the expense of EU farmers, I suggest you have lost whatever meagre selection of marbles you were born with...

Tariff free access phased over how many years? Which products? Any quotas?

More than contemplation here - 2019;

THE IRISH FARMERS’ Association has said that a draft trade agreement between the EU and a number of South American countries is a “sellout” of Irish farmers and a “bad deal” for Ireland and the environment. ...

Edmond Phelan, president of the Irish Cattle and Sheep Farmers’ Association (ICSA) said the deal was “an absolute disgrace”...

“Let there be no doubt: a calculated decision has been made by European leaders to increase car sales, mainly petrol and diesel, at the price of sacrificing the EU beef farmer. The Irish beef sector, with 90% exported to EU markets, will take the full brunt of this outrageous decision.” ...

www.thejournal.ie/beef-farmer-trade-deal-4702670-Jun2019/

prettybird · 18/05/2021 18:18

Can't comment on the truth or otherwise of what yellowspanner writes - although I can disagree fundamentally with most of his or her opinions. Wink

I can point readers in the direction of an excellent poem that was a salutary warning in historical terms and from which we can still learn. The writer of which himself ended up in Dachau Sad

I do know that BJ is a proven liar who has a history of being sacked for it. So on that basis, I won't trust that he is doing "what is best for the country" Hmm one iota - even if a minority of those that voted were taken in by his false promises Confused, and thanks to the shortcomings of the UK FPTP system, he now has carte Blanche to do what he wants Sad

HannibalHayeski · 18/05/2021 18:23

But why do you care c&p? We're not in the EU anymore, so why are you so bothered about what they may or may not do? You've won! We've got our sovrin'y and are on the march to the sunlit uplands to gambol with our unicorns!

FatCatThinCat · 18/05/2021 18:28

@prettybird

Can't comment on the truth or otherwise of what yellowspanner writes - although I can disagree fundamentally with most of his or her opinions. Wink

I can point readers in the direction of an excellent poem that was a salutary warning in historical terms and from which we can still learn. The writer of which himself ended up in Dachau Sad

I do know that BJ is a proven liar who has a history of being sacked for it. So on that basis, I won't trust that he is doing "what is best for the country" Hmm one iota - even if a minority of those that voted were taken in by his false promises Confused, and thanks to the shortcomings of the UK FPTP system, he now has carte Blanche to do what he wants Sad

And shown to still be lying.

twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1394563519861899269?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1394566913435574272%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thelondoneconomic.com%2Fpolitics%2Fwatch-pm-lied-to-the-nation-on-friday-tv-presenter-slams-four-top-tories-for-india-lies-269860%2F

HannibalHayeski · 18/05/2021 18:32

And speaking of the Guardian, here's a fun little article.

Clavinova · 18/05/2021 18:42

FatCatThinCat
And shown to still be lying.

This BBC article appears to back up what the government were saying on that particular point - i.e. more than one consideration before placing a country on the red list;

What are the criteria for going on the red list?
The decision is based on Joint Biosecurity Centre risk assessments, which include:

how good a country's testing structures are, including checking for variants.
how many cases those systems have identified.
whether people in that country have been catching new variants at home or the cases have come from overseas.
evidence of whether that country has exported cases of new variants to other countries, including to the UK.
how good the country's travel links with the UK are.
The first point is important, because the genome sequencing needed to identify new variants is very sophisticated and relatively rare.

But just because a country has found new variants, or has many cases of coronavirus, it will not necessarily be on the red list.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/56801288

Would you vote for Joe Biden?

CNN 2 May 2021
What it's been like fact-checking Joe Biden through 100 days.

By CNN's rough count, Biden has made 29 total false claims in his first 100 days, about one every three-and-a-half days on average.

edition.cnn.com/2021/05/02/politics/fact-check-biden-100-days/index.html

wewereliars · 18/05/2021 18:53

Thanks HannibalHayesk for a welcome dose of the peerless Mr Lee

HannibalHayeski · 18/05/2021 19:14

To paraphrase from above, why would anyone believe an article on the BBC...

jasjas1973 · 18/05/2021 20:30

@Clavinova Ireland can veto that EU FTA, no one in the UK can veto what Liz Truss decides is best for her career

Does any of the money raised in London, stay in the UK? does it help with Bojo's stated aim to level up?

mrslaughan · 18/05/2021 20:36

The thought police....

twitter.com/mrjohnnicolson/status/1394411928206942209?s=21

I am not quite sure why Oliver Dowden knows more than experts in their field.... but as we all know - it's not about that....

jasjas1973 · 18/05/2021 20:41

@mrslaughan

The thought police....

twitter.com/mrjohnnicolson/status/1394411928206942209?s=21

I am not quite sure why Oliver Dowden knows more than experts in their field.... but as we all know - it's not about that....

Patel delays the Daniel Morgan report... doesn't like the chapter on police corruption. 'spect Yellowspanner is perfectly ok with this.

Despite five police inquiries and an inquest, no-one has been brought to justice over the father-of-two’s death, with the Metropolitan Police admitting corruption had hampered the original murder investigation

GeistohneGrenzen · 18/05/2021 20:46

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mrslaughan · 18/05/2021 21:00

Jas - I am seeing speculation(from people who have followed the case) on Twitter that also some Murdoch Journalists may have been involved in corruption- abs that could be a motivation as well.
I can't comment - but it's interesting and would be hardly surprising

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