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Westminstenders: The New Era

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RedToothBrush · 16/05/2021 16:38

Scotland.
The GFA.
Its not Brexit Honest.
Levelling Up Shitholes caused by Tory austerity.
Babymilk Shortages
Cronyism

But we did good with covid jabs.

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Peregrina · 28/05/2021 09:22

But this sort of scummy behaviour is welcomed by Brexiters.

borntobequiet · 28/05/2021 10:30

Farming Today.

A really wtf occasion in the first few min (Aus Trade Bill related)

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000wczp

FatCatThinCat · 28/05/2021 10:35

This government doesn't learn lessons from its mistakes. We can scrutinise the deal once it's done and dusted. Right. How's that working out with the Northern Ireland Protocol?

wewereliars · 28/05/2021 11:24

I am ashamed of the way this country is treating EU citizens. Absolutely disgraceful. Anybody cheering this on is a moral stain.

Apart from that, as most on this thread well know , the whole genesis of the EU was the aftermath of the 2nd World War.

It was conceived and created by among others, people who loved this country, hated what war had done to it and saw that the fortunes of the EU and UK were completely entwined. And that that is a good thing.

Most prominent among them was Churchill. He gave speeches explicitly setting out his vision of closer union with the EU, and certainly not just in economic matters. Think about that Tory pant wetters.

And now we have the terminally hard of thinking cheering on the trashing of the EU as an institution, and being vile to European citizens in the name of sovereignty.

Hello brexiters, they are our closest neighbours and much of this country depends on trading with them for their living.

You just cant reason with the stupid or with the wilfully ignorant.

HarrietPierce · 28/05/2021 11:35

"I am ashamed of the way this country is treating EU citizens. Absolutely disgraceful. Anybody cheering this on is a moral stain."

Small minded Little Englanders.

prettybird · 28/05/2021 11:55

[quote borntobequiet]Farming Today.

A really wtf occasion in the first few min (Aus Trade Bill related)

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000wczp[/quote]
That really is Shock, Confused and Angry

It is beyond satire Sad

HannibalHayeski · 28/05/2021 11:58

Just when you didn't think Brexshit could get any more idiotic...

"Hey guys, it's called the Eurofighter"
"Is that a problem"
"Of course it is. Cover it in a load of Union Jacks for God's sake"

pointythings · 28/05/2021 12:31

A flying penis extension covered in Union Jacks - says it all, really.

UltimateFoole · 28/05/2021 12:51

@Peregrina

But threatening someone that you will report them to the Tory Party seems absurd. What will they do? Send someone with their zimmerframe round to beat you up?
I highly doubt that the Conservative Party would want to encourage any close examination of the way it has been funded in recent years.

Be in no doubt that if you are very wealthy in Russia it is because Putin allows you to be so. And you owe him for it.

If you are told to go to the far flung North East and spend more than a billion of your own cash on building schools, roads, shopping centres to level up the region – you do it. And you stay there until you are told you may leave. Otherwise you will at best find yourself facing huge bills for unpaid back taxes (see Yukos).

I suppose if you are told to go and insert yourself into the elite circles of a foreign country then you do that too. Or whatever it is. And let’s be clear-eyed that governments of all stripes DO build contacts and assets in rival capitals. Not many have billions to throw at it though. Grin

Leaving Russia does not put you beyond Moscow’s reach. See Skripal – poisoned. See Sergei Pugachev – pursued through UK courts. See Russia’s changed approach to tax havens. It’s like the KGB and Hotel California; you can check out but you can never leave.

The Russian state has been turned into a slush fund for the powerful and wealthy. So you might get an unbelievably generous government contract for say PPE – but you are then beholden to the Kremlin. (If they’d had this system in the old CCCP days then I guess you would have been expected to donate to the Party in gratitude. And then maybe you’d be gifted a state asset at knock down price – mineral data extraction facilities and the like. And round and round the money goes.)

This quote from this Irish Times article is a very succinct explanation of how it works:
Borisovich says London’s Russian oligarchs should not be mistaken for conventional, self-made businessmen. “Their riches come from transactions with the Russian government. They either sold something for a fortune to the state of Russia or they bought something for pennies in some sort of privatisation from the state of Russia. Some of them managed to do both, to buy for pennies and sell for fortunes. Some of them never did any of that and they just worked all their life as government officials and somehow in the process became immensely rich,”

There may well be questions to be asked about funding of various political parties in the UK. But to my mind funding accepted from rich Russians when that country is unfriendly and is known to use its billionaires as state actors is just on a whole other level of questionable.

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References/ Further reading:

Putin’s People: How the KGB Took Back Russia and Then Took on the West by Catherine Belton.

(Primer here... www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/06/putins-people-by-catherine-belton-review-a-groundbreaking-study-that-follows-the-money )

BBC story of Sergei Pugachev once known as Putin’s banker who then fell out of favour. It’s not about whether he’s a goody or a baddy. It’s about not ever being able to outrun the Kremlin.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-52091928

(NB from above BBC article:
“In 2006, Russia passed a law giving its agents the license to kill enemies of the state abroad.
In 2012, wealthy Russian exile and whistleblower, Alexander Perepilichny, dropped dead while out jogging near his mansion in Surrey.
In 2013, Boris Berezovsky, an opponent of President Putin, was found dead at his home in Ascot.
In 2015, a leading Russian opposition politician, Boris Nemtsov, was shot dead in Moscow.
The Russian State was closing in on Sergei Pugachev and in 2015, used British courts to pursue him and the missing $1bn.
…Pugachev's assets were frozen worldwide, and his passports seized.”

Irish Times article www.irishtimes.com/news/world/oligarchs-and-unexplained-wealth-london-s-rich-russians-1.3438072

Open Democracy: Revealed: Electoral Commission’s private concerns about Russian Tory donors
www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-electoral-commissions-private-concerns-about-russian-tory-donors/

There have been questions about funding for a while now. This from The Guardian in 2008 : Oligarch's adviser funds Tory www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/oct/25/partyfunding-conservatives

Firtash: Married to the Ukrainian Mob – Foreign Policy Magazine
foreignpolicy.com/2014/03/19/married-to-the-ukrainian-mob/

Voice of America : Russia Tax Haven Laws
www.voanews.com/europe/russia-tightens-tax-screws-super-wealthy

Yukos : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukos

Abramovich Resigns as Governor of Chukotka: www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jul/03/russia2

DGRossetti · 28/05/2021 14:12

Well, that was interesting. Thanks to someones intervention I've just had to deal with the Tory Party internal policy department, working on their human trafficking policy.

Apparently it's a good thing and they want to see a lot more of it.

Or so I understood, the accents were very heavy. And my Cyrillic only goes so far.

jasjas1973 · 28/05/2021 14:13

@UltimateFoole

Interesting post, i wonder if it might at least make some question party funding in the UK?

QueenOfThorns · 28/05/2021 14:41

[quote jasjas1973]@UltimateFoole

Interesting post, i wonder if it might at least make some question party funding in the UK?[/quote]
No, we don’t question. At least not until the Daily Mail tells us we should Angry

But yes, that was a beautiful post, thank you UltimateFoole

FrankieStein402 · 28/05/2021 16:04

pfeffel flat refurb paid for by tory donor - but did not breach ministerial code because pfeffel would not be under any additional obligation as this was an existing donor.

Note 'additional' - methinks ministerial code is not fit for purpose.

DGRossetti · 28/05/2021 16:42

@FrankieStein402

pfeffel flat refurb paid for by tory donor - but did not breach ministerial code because pfeffel would not be under any additional obligation as this was an existing donor.

Note 'additional' - methinks ministerial code is not fit for purpose.

I presume the tax on the gift has been paid ? In Roubles, naturally.
HarveySchlumpfenburger · 28/05/2021 18:12

Importantly pfeffel didn’t know about it until he read it in the papers. The people who knew about it apparently did him a disservice by failing to keep him informed of how he was paying for refurbishing his flat.

Quite how that fits with what he told Starmer in the HoC about how the money was resting in his account is unclear.

jasjas1973 · 28/05/2021 18:46

So Bojo went ahead without considering how it would be paid for.... a bit of a theme with him there!

dontcallmelen · 28/05/2021 18:46

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

Importantly pfeffel didn’t know about it until he read it in the papers. The people who knew about it apparently did him a disservice by failing to keep him informed of how he was paying for refurbishing his flat.

Quite how that fits with what he told Starmer in the HoC about how the money was resting in his account is unclear.

Indeed I wonder if he sits on one of the eye watering expensive armchairs shouting “I love my brick/Arse/Girls/drink” the slippery fucker.
Paralithic · 28/05/2021 19:39

Maybe Johnson can learn something from Father Jack?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=kJqziTVLNoo

Fnib · 28/05/2021 20:19

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DGRossetti · 28/05/2021 21:46

The pictures are jaw dropping ... that's been carved into the countryside.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/brexit-lorry-park-as-bright-as-wembley-stadium-in-night-sky-residents-say-271492/

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pointythings · 28/05/2021 22:09

I feel sorry for the people who did not vote for it.

jasjas1973 · 29/05/2021 06:39

@pointythings

I feel sorry for the people who did not vote for it.
Of course but Kent has 17 MPs 16 are Tory, 1 LD, the Cons increased their share of the vote in 2019, 'polling (as Clav would tell us all) shows the Tories with a stonking lead.

Labour has a decent, honest middle of the road leader, something we were all told would get Tory voters back supporting Labour but it hasn't, in fact support for Lab has fallen since the heady days of Corbyn!

People dismissed concerns about Brexit as project fear, so in this household, i ve little sympathy for anyone now suffering the consequences, the country has supported Brexit all the way since 2016.

HesterThrale · 29/05/2021 08:13

jasjas the country has supported Brexit all the way since 2016

I’m not sure - ‘the country’. Our electoral system makes it look like support for Brexit/ Tories, but the referendum was a marginal win for Leave; in 2017 the Tory vote share was 42%; in 2019 it was 43% (the highest vote share since 1979). They gained an extra 48 seats with an increase of only 1.2% of vote share.
Consistently more than half of the country are unrepresented. And that’s just the people who vote.
We all know this, and most accept it. It can’t make for an overall happy society where people believe they have agency. Sadly, many give up caring, as they feel ignored. And those with a genuine grievance (e.g. farmers, fishers, NI et al) must feel they’re shouting into the abyss.

Peregrina · 29/05/2021 09:22

I think that Kent solidly voted for the Tories with high majorities, with the exception of the one seat, so we have to assume that they are pleased with what Boris Johnson has negotiated. Why do we need to sympathise with people who have got what they wanted?