Westministenders: This is not the Brexit we voted for

[ListeningQuietly]

UK Shellfish industry destroyed because our inshore waters are not clean enough
Welsh Ports on their knees because the Land Bridge has found another route
Horticulture seed producers lost all of their mainland EU customers

Antique dealers lost access to their suppliers
Small businesses being told (by UK Govt) to relocate to the EU to avoid red tape
Brits in the EU discovering that stopping Free Movement applies to them too
Northern Ireland in Unionist flames because there is a border between them and Great Britain, but not the Republic
And the UK has still not taken control of its borders

Brexit is shaping up as predicted, but none of those who voted for it seem to have what they wanted

WW2 - for those of us older ones on the thread - it took a long time for the country to get back on its feet. I would say it was probably about 1960 ish.

Didn't we only really get back on our feet in the 1970s after joining the EEC as the "sick man of Europe" ?

That and North Sea oil which helped "pay" for the de-industrialisation by building up the South East without actually helping the communities affected

prettybird, probably, but things were beginning to look up by about 1960.
I.e fully 15 years after the war - two and a half times longer than it lasted.

@KonTikki

Love the Great Escape and the Dambusters. The former is pure fantasy, the Americans held in a different compound were not involved. The Dambusters is a fantastic story, and the film is a masterpiece. Richard Todd who plays Gibson was an authentic war hero in his own right.

They’re good films and very enjoyable. But the cumulative effect of repeated showings has had an effect on the national psyche. Similarly many great paintings of religious scenes are lovely to look at and masterpieces of the artists’ work. But repeated viewing reinforces the stories and the faith of the viewer. Art and entertainment are rarely just art or entertainment. They’re forms of communication, and they carry a message. More recently this has been deployed in a very clever, subtle and calculated way, via social media.

Meanwhile, Putin should warrant at least as much attention as the footie, since he's making a speech soon.

Ukrainians are not the only ones who need to worry: there are suggestions being made in some quarters that the price to pay for Vlad's support when your population takes en masse to the streets to contest rigged presidential elections may be quite high.

OTOH, maybe he just wants to celebrate the Sputnik-flavoured spring, and not play with anyone's frayed nerves.

🐿 The first known “Western” film, titled “Kidnapping by Indians” was recorded in 1899… in Blackburn, Lancashire! It featured the familiar tropes of a young white girl being kidnapped by feather-headdressed-tomahawk-armed Native Americans (local Lancastrian actors in politically-incorrect makeup) before being rescued by heroic cowboys after a gunfight. 🐿

Farming Today on shellfish exports (from 9 min)

DEFRA was talking rubbish/didn’t read or comprehend regulations/doesn’t understand the business at all

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000v7r7

Sleaze and cronyism
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56819137
This HAS to be the theme running up to the elections
The rich looking after the super rich and screwing over the rest of us

TheSandman
Anyone who tries to advance an argument by quoting the Sun as if it were some kind of real newspaper obviously doesn't know the meaning of the word.

On this occasion I thought the Sun provided a succinct and useful explanation - Full Fact came to the same conclusion accompanied by a lengthy explanation.

You didn't seem to mind the Martin Rowson cartoon from the Mirror, or the link to left-wing news outlet the Canary, which stated;
In contrast stands Jeremy Corbyn. His continued honesty really is ‘revolutionary’.

Peregrina
Northern Ireland - it might just be that as two of the architects of the GFA Major and Blair had a better idea of what the issues where than Johnson did.

No doubt they did - but it would appear that they waited until two weeks before the referendum vote to speak out - their intervention seems to have taken everyone by surprise at the time. The Guardian analysed their visit to Derry in June 2016 as "one of the most effective media events of the [referendum] campaign." Arguably they seeded the idea that the Irish border could become as big a problem as necessary in order to stop Brexit. They certainly handed the EU the upper hand in negotiations.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/09/tony-blair-and-john-major-brexit-would-close-irish-border

As for the EU 'attempting to trigger A16'. No, they didn't, it was very quickly realised that this was a stupid action, and when the idea was mooted it was quickly squashed.

The EU did attempt to trigger Article 16 - they backed down after intervention from London, Belfast and Dublin;

MINISTER FOR FOREIGN Affairs Simon Coveney has said the decision by the European Commission to trigger Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol to stop flow of vaccines into the North from the EU was ‘extraordinary’.

“It was a costly mistake, it shouldn’t have happened. It wouldn’t have happened if there had been any consultation with the Irish government and I think everybody regrets that now,” he said.

He said once the issue was communicated to Ireland the government “objected strongly and immediately” and the decision was reversed that same evening.

Coveney said announcing the decision without having communicated with governments in the Republic, in the North or in Britain was “an extraordinary thing to do”.

www.thejournal.ie/coveney-article-16-5341380-Feb2021/

The EU's error enflamed political tensions;
BBC - NI First Minister Arlene Foster described the move as "an incredible act of hostility" by the EU.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55864442

Wow! Elements is getting so good that her squirrels are coming in before a meaningless vomit of c&p...

As for the EU 'attempting to trigger A16'. No, they didn't, it was very quickly realised that this was a stupid action, and when the idea was mooted it was quickly squashed

The EU did attempt to trigger Article 16 - they backed down after intervention from London, Belfast and Dublin

Quashed that same day, unlike Johnsons threats (which still stand) to trigger Art16 and his unilateral extensions to his own Oven ready meal deal agreement.

Quoting Arlene Foster on aggression, leader of the DUP, with its links to loyalist terrorism, inc sitting MPs, isn't your greatest moment.

How not to win friends and influence people (while trying to secure trade deals)

www.smh.com.au/world/europe/the-uncomfortable-chair-australians-shocked-by-bizarre-british-insulting-trade-tactics-20210421-p57l7v.html?fbclid=IwAR2AOfm_juBhGLy1qGR0xcKkixLLuBxGfzKEB0SGwfeyxe-YS2vN7yJwuSs

Could our government be more shit?

@HannibalHayeski

Wow! Elements is getting so good that her squirrels are coming in before a meaningless vomit of c&p...

^^

Perhaps Truss is hoping that the Australians don't speak and read English?

But this is a cue for Clavinova to come along and say that Truss has been misunderstood, or taken out of context, or didn't really mean what she said, or she said white when everyone else heard black.

Peregrina
We know he was cheating on his wife when [she] had cancer.

From twitter?

You have already said that his affair with Carrie didn't start until after his wife had got the all clear, but now we hear that he was having a four year affair with Jennifer Arcuri, which will have been at the time his wife did have cancer.

I previously told you that Boris Johnson and his ex-wife had been separated for the best part of a year when she was diagnosed with cancer - indeed she had already obtained a decree nisi in divorce proceedings when she was diagnosed. His alleged affair with Jennifer Arcuri ended several years prior to his ex-wife's cancer diagnosis.

Timeline

2012-2016
Alleged affair with Jennifer Arcuri.

7 September 2018 -

Boris Johnson and Marina Wheeler announce they are to divorce - their joint statement indicates that they had separated several months prior to the announcement.

February 2019 at the latest -

Marina Wheeler obtains a decree nisi - in Feb 2020 she was granted leave by the court to apply for a decree absolute ''out of time'' - more than 12 months had elapsed since she obtained a decree nisi.

May 2019 -
Marina Wheeler diagnosed with cancer (from her own statement).

August 2019 -
She is given the "all clear."

To suggest that Boris Johnson was "carrying on" behind his ex-wife's back while she had cancer is just a twitter fabrication - they were separated for almost a year before she was diagnosed.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/07/boris-johnson-and-marina-wheeler-announce-divorce
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/18/boris-johnson-agrees-divorce-settlement-with-marina-wheeler
www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/estranged-wife-of-boris-johnson-tells-of-cervical-cancer-diagnosis-a4210626.html

Poor Daily Mail ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56828173

This has nothing to do with legal action, and everything to do with trying to poison the combined search terms of "Google" and "Daily Mail", as the former is embarrassingly remembering the court cases the latter has lost. Big time.

Clavinova, you win a prize there for one of the funniest posts. Shagging around is OK in your book as long as your partner hasn't yet been diagnosed with, or has been pronounced clear of a serious illness.

And no, I don't read twitter.

jasjas1973
Quoting Arlene Foster on aggression, leader of the DUP, with its links to loyalist terrorism, inc sitting MPs, isn't your greatest moment.

Don't be ridiculous - how else would I back up my point; the EU's error enflamed political tensions - I quoted from BBC news.

You don't appear to recognise that as much as we might want to deport 23 yo crims, we can't if they are british, if it means they face the death penalty, risk persecution or if we don't know where they are actually from.

I missed your previous post. I am strongly opposed to the death penalty/deporting someone who might risk genuine persecution. The particular arguments I was thinking of were, for example; that deportees returning home to some cultures abroad would have to suffer the "social stigma" of being regarded as "failures" having returned home "empty handed" - the expectation being that returnees should "bring something back". Another argument was that some deportees had already served prison sentences in the UK and were not offered the chance of redemption in this country.

TheSandman
Admit it, you just buy it for the tits on page three.

I pick up my free copy of The Times or The Telegraph from Waitrose most days.

NB - I am female with two dc and married to a man.

Seems like the proposed Super League has just gone and fallen apart. Is this because the fans objected, or because of the sterling efforts of our Dear Prime Minister Kim Jong Johnson?

@Peregrina

Perhaps Truss is hoping that the Australians don't speak and read English?

But this is a cue for Clavinova to come along and say that Truss has been misunderstood, or taken out of context, or didn't really mean what she said, or she said white when everyone else heard black.

Yeah, Truss hasn’t spotted that Dan Tehan has a Masters in Foreign Affairs and Trade and worked in trade positions from 1995 to 2009.

Meanwhile, Ms Truss was busy being a management accountant.

Of course, nothing wrong with being a management accountant but getting your minions to call Tehan “inexperienced compared to Liz” is beyond ridiculous.

Dear Prime Minister Kim Jong Johnson

🐿 You mean Dear Prime Inseminator Mighty Dong Johnson who can do no wrong and all true BeLeavers should follow his great example by committing repeated adultery? 🐿

Somewhat amused that The Sydney Morning Herald article has a link in the middle of the page - to a related article they published four months ago - stating that Dan Tehan is often regarded [mistakenly] as a "Farm boy" and a "country bumpkin".

Don't be ridiculous - how else would I back up my point; the EU's error enflamed political tensions - I quoted from BBC news

You haven't backed anything up.... the dangers to peace in NI stem from Brexit.... they'd be no article 16 if it wasn't for that buffoon Bojo..... he has lit the flames of political tension, no one else, least of all the EU.... there has to be an effective border

FatCatThinCat
The MHRA was late to spot/act on the AstraZeneca blood clot connection due in part to having removed itself from EudraVigilance, the EU's early warning system for problems with medicines.

The Telegraph article doesn't actually say (or prove) that;

"Another reason for the MHRA’s slower reaction, suggest observers, could be that it lost access to Eudravigilance, the vast European database into which all adverse drug reactions are reported, when the UK left the orbit EMA regulation on 31 December last year."

"could be" and who are the unnamed "observers"?

More mystery "observers" here;
"Observers say this should be seen in the context of the “operational and logistical challenges” the regulator faced in the run-up to the UK formally leaving the EMA on December 31, and the MHRA formally becoming a sovereign regulator for the first time on January 1." ...

Norway and Denmark went public immediately (announced in Reuters) - what earlier warning can you get?

In Norway, the first suspicious death was reported on the day it occurred, March 12 - the day after similar reports emerged from neighbouring Denmark.

The MHRA can request the data (they may have done) - or they can look at the ADR website;
An EMA spokeswoman [another unnamed observer] told The Telegraph...

“Should the MHRA need data they will have to ask for it...In addition, they can of course look at the data published on the adverse drug reaction (ADR) website.”