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Westministenders: This is not the Brexit we voted for

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ListeningQuietly · 08/04/2021 12:06

UK Shellfish industry destroyed because our inshore waters are not clean enough
Welsh Ports on their knees because the Land Bridge has found another route
Horticulture seed producers lost all of their mainland EU customers

Antique dealers lost access to their suppliers
Small businesses being told (by UK Govt) to relocate to the EU to avoid red tape
Brits in the EU discovering that stopping Free Movement applies to them too
Northern Ireland in Unionist flames because there is a border between them and Great Britain, but not the Republic
And the UK has still not taken control of its borders

Brexit is shaping up as predicted, but none of those who voted for it seem to have what they wanted

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TheABC · 08/04/2021 21:39

Still lurking on here. I voted Remain precisely because of the NI peace process. I really, really hoped to be wrong about it - and it could still have avoided if Bloody Stupid Johnson had given it any consideration. As it stands, I can see the border issue becoming a long-running sore point unless or until Ireland reunifies.

Eve · 08/04/2021 21:39

@Ifailed

...I note the trouble in Belfast has finally made the BBC news website front page - only taken a week.

It's been there everyday this week.

Not been on the UK news pages only the NI page - been complaints all over Twitter for days about BBC not reporting it.
Kendodd · 08/04/2021 21:59

As it stands, I can see the border issue becoming a long-running sore point unless or until Ireland reunifies.
It does surprise me that people in NI actually want to stay part of the union. Its crystal clear the government and most of Westminster don't give a shit about them and that (most of) the public in England couldn't care less either.

mrslaughan · 08/04/2021 22:01

More winning......

twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1380156842307899392?s=21

More will follow, this is the very worst news for London and the UK generally.

SheriffCallie · 08/04/2021 22:08

@Kendodd

As for the DUP, my thoughts are that they took a gamble on Brexit delivering a hard border between NI and ROI and lost. They've always hated the GFA and campaigned hard against it at the time, despite what they say now, their actions tell a different story.
Ken Dodd, as someone who lives in NI (you may too?), I totally agree with this. It’s a gamble that didn’t pay off and they can/will never acknowledge this.
Peregrina · 08/04/2021 22:12

and it could still have avoided if Bloody Stupid Johnson had given it any consideration.

Absolutely, and the Withdrawal Agreement May was working for would have avoided some of this. But Johnson and his ERG chums voted her deal down. Johnson and Co are responsible for this - not the Republic, not the EU, Johnson, ERG and Johnson, and let no one forget it. And yes, we will have Clavinova coming on and reminding us that the tensions were already there - they did not go away fully with the GFA. But if Clavinova could realise this then so should Johnson have done. Of course, he's deeply concerned, because it's not something he can waffle and piffle his way out of.

As it stands, I can see the border issue becoming a long-running sore point unless or until Ireland reunifies.

Even with Irish reunification the problems may not go away - you only have to think about how the Indian sub continent was partitioned - there is still a border dispute in Kashmir and still tensions between India and Pakistan.

Eve · 08/04/2021 22:18

.. do you think the DUP were intelligent enough to choose to take a gamble?

I’m not sure Arlene and co are astute enough to work out any potential ramifications.

As someone who lives between NI and the UK the whole thing is so frustrating, they should be jumping up and down and working together to make the most of the opportunity NI has to improve prospects for everyone instead they squabble over fuckin flags for years.

Kendodd · 08/04/2021 22:39

But if Clavinova could realise this then so should Johnson have done. Of course, he's deeply concerned, because it's not something he can waffle and piffle his way out of.
I bet he will. That's one of the worse things about this, he'll deflect all responsibility and blame and none of his supporters including the press will hold him to account. He'll walk away without a care in the world after setting fire to NI.

Here he is lying and laughing about it all.
twitter.com/i/status/1380126358660075525

TheSandman · 09/04/2021 01:50

@Kendodd

As it stands, I can see the border issue becoming a long-running sore point unless or until Ireland reunifies. It does surprise me that people in NI actually want to stay part of the union. Its crystal clear the government and most of Westminster don't give a shit about them and that (most of) the public in England couldn't care less either.
As they don't seem to give a shit about Scotland either I do wonder what the English DO care about...

Feeling superior and Bake Off probably.

TheElementsSong · 09/04/2021 08:16

PMK 🐿

Looking at the valiant CnP efforts already decorating this new thread, I'd say that this is exactly the Brexit that "we" voted for, since apparently everything is going precisely as envisioned.

Peregrina · 09/04/2021 08:56

When it comes down to it, the Tories will throw Scotland under the bus too - although it's a bit more difficult. There is their nuclear base for a starter; where in England can they dump it?

LouiseCollins28 · 09/04/2021 09:04

@Peregrina

When it comes down to it, the Tories will throw Scotland under the bus too - although it's a bit more difficult. There is their nuclear base for a starter; where in England can they dump it?
Not an easy problem to solve. I did read something on this a few years ago but as I remember it all the potential alternatives had problems of one sort or another

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28009977

Peregrina · 09/04/2021 09:07

Yes, Johnson's approach: problems in NI? They were already there. Scottish Independence - nothing to do with me smashing the UK, the movement was already there. All true, but it's like seeing a burning house - do you run for water, or petrol. As far as NI has gone, Johnson went for petrol. Now he might be pretending, "Oh crumbs, I thought it was water."

Clavinova · 09/04/2021 09:49

mrslaughan
More winning......
JPMorgan - one of world's biggest banks - looking to move "all European business out of London".

Misleading Tweet - JPMorgan are not looking to move all European business out of London;

"We may reach a tipping point many years out when it may make sense to move all functions that service Europe out of the United Kingdom and into continental Europe. But London still has the opportunity to adapt and reinvent itself, particularly as the digital landscape continues to revolutionize financial services. Innovation is key to preparing for doing the business of tomorrow versus relying on the shifting ways of the past."

Peregrina · 09/04/2021 09:55

Anyone would think the Brexiters had lost with CnP's post

'not looking to move' doesn't sound to me like a statement of so much business coming in that they need to find more premises.

Nor does 'adapt and reinvent'. With people in a race, it's the losers who are asked what they could do to improve i.e. adapt and reinvent. Not the winners.

TheElementsSong · 09/04/2021 09:57

It's like a really shit attempt at a Jedi mind-trick Grin

"This is the Brexit you voted for..."

"It is all going to plan..."

"You can go about your business of not talking about it..."

Clavinova · 09/04/2021 10:20

John Major may well have become a Remainer because he was one of the architects of the GFA and knew exactly what was at stake.

I can't find any evidence of that - Northern Ireland appears to be an afterthought for him - he only mentions Scotland in March 2016;

johnmajorarchive.org.uk/2016/03/19/article-on-the-eu-referendum-19-march-2016/

Northern Ireland becomes a problem two weeks before the referendum.

9 June 2016 - John Major and Tony Blair "hit the campaign trail" in Northern Ireland;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016

The speech John Major delivers in Northern Ireland on 9 June 2016 deals with Scotland first;

"That means the unity of the United Kingdom itself is on the ballot paper in two weeks’ time."

Let me explain.

First, Scotland.

Two years ago, on the eve of the Scottish Referendum…

johnmajorarchive.org.uk/2016/06/09/sir-john-majors-speech-in-northern-ireland-9-june-2016/

Peregrina · 09/04/2021 10:30

Why not drop him a line to ask why he voted the way he did then Clavinova?

I have no idea what informed his vote, but I think it's notable that two of the people closely involved with the NI Peace process did vote Remain and that the DUP who didn't want the GFA were on the Leave side.

Clavinova · 09/04/2021 10:40

The UK is pretty unique in removing the right to vote of those who live overseas.

Apparently not.

December 2020 -
A promised referendum on votes for the Irish abroad will take place in the latter half of 2021, Diaspora Minister Colm Brophy has confirmed to The Irish Post.

The nationwide poll will decide whether or not to give Irish citizens living outside of Ireland the right to vote in presidential elections back home.

If passed it would enable the diaspora to vote in the next presidential election, which is due to take place in 2025.

Members of the Irish community across Britain have campaigned on the issue for a number of years.

www.irishpost.com/news/time-for-change-diaspora-minister-confirms-referendum-on-votes-for-irish-abroad-will-take-place-in-2021-200378

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/hierarchy-of-irishness-to-be-raised-at-citizenship-conference-40092703.html

Peregrina · 09/04/2021 10:47

But note the difference CnP - the Irish Government is going to have a referendum on the issue. Not like Cameron who made the re-enfranchisement a Manifesto commitment and (true to form) did nothing about it.

Clavinova · 09/04/2021 10:53

But note the difference

British citizens living overseas are currently entitled to be registered to vote in UK Parliamentary elections for up to 15 years in the constituency they were registered in before leaving the UK.

Irish citizens who move overseas lose their right to vote in Irish elections after one year if the electoral roll is drawn up every year?
(No doubt there are several exceptions to that.)

JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/04/2021 11:02

@Peregrina

When it comes down to it, the Tories will throw Scotland under the bus too - although it's a bit more difficult. There is their nuclear base for a starter; where in England can they dump it?
I'm Welsh so it might colour my thinking but I'm sure they'll figure out where to put it that isnt on their own shitty fucking doorstep
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ListeningQuietly · 09/04/2021 11:08

Just checking, has anybody heard from DGR ?

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Peregrina · 09/04/2021 11:15

Chris Grey's weekly blog spot. A depressing read, as they have now become.

Peregrina · 09/04/2021 11:21

To highlight one of the concluding sentences from Chris Grey.

And perhaps, even probably, history books will treat Johnson much as they have Chamberlain or Eden, and with better cause, but that will be too late to matter much.

I think he's unkind here to Chamberlain and Eden - as far as I am aware they were respectable politicians until Munich and Suez. That can't be said of Johnson - his primary achievement both as Mayor of London and PM is wasting taxpayers money.