Westministenders: This is not the Brexit we voted for

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UK Shellfish industry destroyed because our inshore waters are not clean enough
Welsh Ports on their knees because the Land Bridge has found another route
Horticulture seed producers lost all of their mainland EU customers

Antique dealers lost access to their suppliers
Small businesses being told (by UK Govt) to relocate to the EU to avoid red tape
Brits in the EU discovering that stopping Free Movement applies to them too
Northern Ireland in Unionist flames because there is a border between them and Great Britain, but not the Republic
And the UK has still not taken control of its borders

Brexit is shaping up as predicted, but none of those who voted for it seem to have what they wanted

Personally- and an opinion formed from various contacts in Ireland (in this case mostly the North ) is the decision not to prosecute the Sinn Fein politicians was the spark - that lit the powder keg. Their was already unrest - tyres being slashed etc ...... this had all started with the advent of "Brexit" and the boarder down the Irish Sea.

"The prime minister’s negligence was always going to be exposed in some way, but there is no place more dangerous for this to happen than Northern Ireland."

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-irish-border-belfast-riots

It seems that Boris Johnson visited Northern Ireland on the 12th March - only two/three weeks before the rioting started

Ah, now we know the real cause...

Clavinova

No I bet it's not working the way Johnson envisaged. Did he even read it, or was he too busy like the rest of his lazy bunch? They spent more time eulogising Prince Philip yesterday than they did discussing Johnson's deal.

Anyone with half a brain ought to know that the embers from the Troubles have not fully died down. So what does that chump Johnson, who can do no wrong in your eyes, do? He fans the flames.

Yes the decision not to prosecute after the Sinn Fein funeral may have been one of the sparks but the tinder was already very very dry.

For what is probably one of the toughest and most sensitive briefs in Government Johnson did have a decent NI Secretary in Julian Smith, but he got the push, so another nodding dog got the job instead.

If Johnson troubled himself to use the brain that Brexiters tell us he has, a good move would be to give Brandon Lewis the push and re-instate Smith.

^They spent more time eulogising Prince Philip yesterday than they did discussing Johnson's deal. - Did he even read it...?

It's a wonder then that Keir Starmer supported the deal - what with him being the leader of the opposition and a lawyer of some repute. I thought Keir Starmer's eulogy was rather good yesterday - he obviously put some thought into it.

Clavinova please read the threads. It should not have escaped your notice that many of us think that Starmer made a big mistake on supporting Johnson's deal. The nodding dogs would have seen that it went through.

Glad to hear that Starmer did a good eulogy though. No one is saying that they shouldn't have done, just that their priorities are askew, when old man dies, which can only have been a matter of time, vs. the biggest upheaval since WW2. May be that should have got a tad more attention?

As ever Marina Hyde nails it about the tributes to Prince Philip.

@HoneysuckIejasmine

prettybird I like strike through. I can't bear when people use it wrong though. Like this...

"Your DH sounds like a lovely man a dickhead "

the strike through should come first, indicating it's what you want to say but have reconsidered for sake of manners. Makes me irrationally annoyed.

Much like the Conservative party (especially that Parliament of 2019 onwards who are an especially big bag of dicks delights.

Very true

....although strike-through sub clauses/qualifiers can on occasion come after the main statement

88 police officers injured so far in the reemergence of the ´Troubles in NI. How many more before brexiters wake up and say enough is enough? 100? 1000? We know from covid that 150,000 deaths is seen as a success. So how many is failure?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/northern-ireland-riots-violence-police-b1830661.html?fbclid=IwAR0wJwOOGO45gE3ozpboCoUgij6RcLvaWUgsnEkg2cV_yqwDZmtCNj-H3oI

I can see no evidence at all that Boris Johnson left London in Mid March.
He certainly did not go to Northern Ireland as far as I can see.
photographic proof or a .gov.uk link are acceptable

Re Civil Liberties
There re two aspects

(a) COVID is being used as a cover to destroy rights we thought we had and to coverup damage done by Brexit until, like the fogs in the pan, we are cooked.

(b) The level of incompetence and miscommunication and lack of professionalism from ministers and exhausted civil servants is resulting in contradictory information being issued by departments nearly every day.
So people do nothing rather than doing the right thing.

The legislation for Local Government dates back to 1972.
Jenrick is refusing to update it.
And HMG are issuing notices about Prince Philip's death that do not include the correct legal terms
so government bodies struggling already, facing elections, now have no idea if its legal to meet this week.

Vicious incompetence.

Yay but all the police officers that were injured were attacked by TERRORISTS
Which will then make it ok to be very heavy handed on the repression. Esp nowadays after al qu’aida etc....
It won’t be akin to a civil war reignited by brexit.
OR it will be the fault of the EU for not breaching their own rules fir the sake of the U.K.

Wasn't it always the case - the Provisional IRA were terrorists, but to those in the USA who raised funds for them, they were Freedom fighters.

Go back to our colonial history: Mau Mau terrorists in Kenya, or people fighting to liberate their country from colonialism?

The Mau Mau received history of interesting. I was brought up believing that they had rampaged throughout Kenya, killing hundreds of white colonials, an impression no doubt developed because my mum had been a teenager living in Kenya at the time and her parents were terrified. I was gobsmacked recently to discover that only 32 white "settlers" had been killed and at least 11,000 Mau Mau (including over a 1,000 convicts hanged by the British administration) and that the Colonial powers had been just as if not more vicious.

Mau Mau uprising: Bloody history of Kenya conflict http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12997138

The actual Brexit we've ended up with

Look at all the winning here.

"One in four small U.K. exporters have halted sales to the European Union because of red tape caused by Brexit"

HannibalHayes yes, but a chippy in Grimsby has taken on an additional cashier, so Brexit is doing wonders for the economy!

Woohoo! Break out the, er, English sparkling wine...

More winning:

BBC News - Brexit prompts JD Sports to open Dublin warehouse
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56731570

Students can go to the pub, the gym, the hairdresser, get a tattoo, go to work
but NOT
go to the courses for which they are charged over £16000 a year
(including accommodation)

because Students do not tend to vote Tory

prettybird - much the impression I got about the Mau Mau, which is why I thought of the example.

LQ that's exactly what my sister and I were talking about last night.
That the more educated you are now the less likely you are to vote Tory.

@mrslaughan

LQ that's exactly what my sister and I were talking about last night. That the more educated you are now the less likely you are to vote Tory.

Reminds me of the story of the Tory candidate who said that when he was out canvassing, if he could see bookshelves through the window of a house, he didn't even bother knocking.

Lord Frost has asked for more time to respond to the EU's legal action over UK easing of Northern Ireland Protocol requirements.

See here from RTE.

The UK originally said it needed more time to bring in the protocol (covering checks on imports) otherwise there was a risk of food shortages after April 1st. UK govt unilaterally suspended the implementation of NIP this March. These letters from UK apparently stress good faith of UK govt toward NIP by unilaterally extending grace period and not implementing NIP on agreed timetable.

I can hardly be bothered to type the words oven ready because this is so very, very oven ready.

www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2021/0414/1209802-brexit/

We talked about how Prince Philip's death would be used to cover (bad) news. After refusing to answer the Guardian's questions for 30 days, Cameron finally slipped out a statement on Sunday night about his role in the Greensill affair.

Cameron is denying that he would have made as much money as stated. I would be dishonest if I didn't admit to schadenfreude - instead of making a shed load of money, his shares are now worthless.

He may not have done wrong, and Johnson may have ordered an enquiry (led by a prominent Tory supporter, so marking their own homework) but it doesn't look good.

This is the man, remember, who wanted to be PM because he thought he'd be good at it.