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Westministenders: This is not the Brexit we voted for

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ListeningQuietly · 08/04/2021 12:06

UK Shellfish industry destroyed because our inshore waters are not clean enough
Welsh Ports on their knees because the Land Bridge has found another route
Horticulture seed producers lost all of their mainland EU customers

Antique dealers lost access to their suppliers
Small businesses being told (by UK Govt) to relocate to the EU to avoid red tape
Brits in the EU discovering that stopping Free Movement applies to them too
Northern Ireland in Unionist flames because there is a border between them and Great Britain, but not the Republic
And the UK has still not taken control of its borders

Brexit is shaping up as predicted, but none of those who voted for it seem to have what they wanted

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Peregrina · 12/04/2021 13:00

How brexit is affecting one firm in the Midlands.

Note the usual post Brexit story - some operations moved to EU countries. Greater admin burden.

I note that he doesn't mention how wonderful the vaccine roll out has been for his business, although it maybe helped a little.

Clavinova · 12/04/2021 13:04

prettybird
Surprise, surprise, sovereign countries within the EU make sovereign choices

Last Friday (26 February), Italy filed to Commission’s DG Sante a request for blocking the shipment made pursuant to the Commission’s export mechanism.

Under Article 2(5) of the mechanism, the EU executive has the last word, as the member state is required to decide on the request for authorisation “in accordance with the opinion of the Commission”.

www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/italy-denies-authorisation-to-ship-astrazeneca-shots-to-australia/

www.esteri.it/mae/it/sala_stampa/archivionotizie/comunicati/richiesta-di-autorizzazione-all-esportazione-di-vaccini-anti-covid-19-da-parte-di-astrazeneca.html

LouiseCollins28 · 12/04/2021 13:05

You may well have a point there Jas! TBH all the Astra/EU/UK contracts to and fro is super confusing and so long as everyone who wants a vaccine gets one in good time I'm not going to lose sleep.

More worrying right now for my money are surges in other parts of the world that might mean that variants emerge which are resistent to the current vaccines.

Peregrina · 12/04/2021 13:11

Do-de-do, singin' in the rain' more 'how the EU gets it wrong'. Note to Leavers - we have left.

The Aztec Oils firm looks like one which is capable of adapting to Brexit. I didn't think 'more jobs for Lithuania' was part of the Brexit benefits though.

Peregrina · 12/04/2021 13:13

More worrying right now for my money are surges in other parts of the world that might mean that variants emerge which are resistent to the current vaccines.

And this is sorely where we need proper international co-operation, which is lacking at present.

Clavinova · 12/04/2021 13:19

The Aztec Oils firm looks like one which is capable of adapting to Brexit. I didn't think 'more jobs for Lithuania' was part of the Brexit benefits though

From the link:
Aztec Oils, a specialist lubricant oil company based in Bolsover, Derbyshire

Derbyshire County Council 3 March 2021 -

East Midlands Freeport set for take-off!

The East Midlands received a major economic boost today with the government's announcement that it will be one of 8 new Freeports in England, creating an estimated 60,000 new skilled jobs for the region.

www.derbyshire.gov.uk/council/news-events/news-updates/news/east-midlands-freeport-set-for-take-off.aspx

TheSandman · 12/04/2021 13:23

I didn't think 'more jobs for Lithuania' was part of the Brexit benefits though.

But I'm sure Farage and all those 'Blind trusts' our millionaire lords and masters in the government hide their investments behind are managing to make a fair a wedge out of it all the same.

HappyWinter · 12/04/2021 13:24

I worry about possible new variants too Louise. Hoping for international co-operation but agree it is not abundant Peregrina.

yellowspanner · 12/04/2021 13:38

Peregrina and others ,
I mention neonicitinoid sand honey bees because JasJas asked me how the bees were and Peregrina mentioned neonicitinoids.
I was explaining for clarity because the inference was that now we have left the EU we have lowered our standards.
Yes, unfortunately we have. But we have a long way to go before we are as low as the EU's.

jasjas1973 · 12/04/2021 13:50

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jasjas1973 · 12/04/2021 13:57

@LouiseCollins28

You may well have a point there Jas! TBH all the Astra/EU/UK contracts to and fro is super confusing and so long as everyone who wants a vaccine gets one in good time I'm not going to lose sleep.

More worrying right now for my money are surges in other parts of the world that might mean that variants emerge which are resistent to the current vaccines.

Yes, in Brazil the P1 variant is filling their hospitals with the u40s with no underlying health issues even those who have had at least one vaccine dose too (reported on Ch4 news recently)

CV might still make Brexit/EU the least of our worries.

Peregrina · 12/04/2021 14:12

But one of the arguments put forward by the Brexiters was that now we would raise standards.

HappyWinter · 12/04/2021 14:19

Isn't the Brazilian P1 variant behind Chile's Covid resurgence, along with the lower efficacy of the Sinovac vaccine they are using and opening up too quickly/allowing travel to Brazil? It's very worrying.

FrankieStein402 · 12/04/2021 14:20

Brexit is done - de pfeffel has shot his fox. What next?

  1. He'll repeal the fixed term parliament act
  2. He'll accede to requests for an enquiry into the handling of covid, carefully writing the terms of reference to exclude test and trace.
  3. He'll make sure the enquiry will report after May 2022, whilst the opening up feelgood is still there
  4. He'll call an election in May 22 to 'get a mandate' for a non brexit chumocracy agenda. That gives him 4 years to weather the inquiry output and spin the brexit economic hit as neglegible - because though we'll grow more slowly than the EU we'll still grow.

But the best laid plans are subject to his inattention and priapism - there's at least a 50% chance he'll misbehave as per norm and Carrie will go postal - at which point she exposes where the bodies are buried.

There's obviously a 90% chance he'll make more serious mistakes in government but given the way his supporters don't care I don't see that deposing him, though it will give rishi an opening.

Clavinova · 12/04/2021 14:35

Johnson can't be bothered to sit down with the Irish Government to try to find a way forward on the N Ireland situation.

Belfast Telegraph last night:

Hopes are rising of a deal between the UK and EU that could help ease tensions in Northern Ireland, it was reported on Sunday night.

The Financial Times said progress was being made in negotiations about how to apply the new trade rules under the Northern Ireland Protocol.

The FT reported that recent talks had led to optimism over how the Protocol, which has affected trade from Great Britain into Northern Ireland, could be implemented. ...

While tensions remain high, the UK Government was reportedly reluctant to convene a special summit with Dublin leaders to discuss the street violence and the overall fragile political situation.

Dublin has suggested to London that the crisis requires an inter-governmental summit that can be called under provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, according to a report by the Observer newspaper.

The request was relayed to Boris Johnson's government via diplomatic channels late last week, but was turned down, the paper reported.

"There is a fear of upsetting unionists, a worry that this would be seen as Dublin interfering too much in the affairs of Northern Ireland," a source told the paper.

However, on Sunday night a senior official at Number 10 said it has "not refused anything".

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/hopes-rise-ni-protocol-changes-will-ease-tension-40301624.html

Belfast Live today:

Threats which led to staff being withdrawn from Brexit checks at Northern Ireland's ports may have been fuelled by alcohol, according to Stormont papers.

"Renegade individuals" rather than loyalist paramilitaries or organised gangs were considered responsible for actions which led to increased security fears.

The threat assessment in February was labelled as "low" and "realistically is as low as it will be", correspondence seen by Belfast Live reveals.

The Agriculture Minister, DUP MLA Edwin Poots, temporarily withdrew staff from Belfast and Larne Ports following a similar decision by Mid and East Antrim council...

The Assembly's DAERA committee is holding an inquiry into the decision to withdraw port staff.

Sinn Fein MLA Philip McGuigan, deputy chair of the committee, said the documents further call into question the decisions and accused the DUP of escalating tensions.

He said: "The suspicion has always been that there was never a credible threat at the time that MEA council and Edwin Poots withdrew their staff from the Ports.

"Now we see it confirmed in this correspondence that the PSNI were telling DAERA and the council that the threat was low and 'as low as possible'.

"As well as the level of threat being low, DAERA were also aware that any perceived threat was coming from individuals fuelled with drink and was not coming from within organised loyalism."

The DUP and DAERA did not respond to requests for a comment.

www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/brexit-larne-port-threats-been-20336916#comments-section

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2021 14:42

@HappyWinter

Isn't the Brazilian P1 variant behind Chile's Covid resurgence, along with the lower efficacy of the Sinovac vaccine they are using and opening up too quickly/allowing travel to Brazil? It's very worrying.
They reopened stuff whilst cases were still climbing not decreasing thinking that vaccines alone would be sufficient.

Sinovac uses old technology (different to both Pfizer and AZ) and it arguably wasn't tested as extensively to begin with. And its coming into winter in Chile.

The UK has a much better track and trace system (which compared to September last year is actually functioning).

Its been said from the word go that we might face problems come the winter, but we do have more going for us than Chile - even if we start to reopen international travel.

Our vaccine uptake in the most vulnerable is of world wide envy. We are likely to have a population level of immunity superior to many other countries. If we have a rogue variant we should be, by Autumn, well placed to do variant specific booster shots and be able to roll it out quicker than many other countries because we now have the infrustructure to do that and be more or sell self sufficient on that. We also have better ability to detect and therefore track the rise in emerging variants in the UK.

I honestly think at this point we are best placed in the world to deal with new issues in the coming months.

The one country that has really surprised me with their low vaccination rate is Japan. (Thinking about the Olympics here) Closely followed by Germany. Mainly because they are struggling with anti-vaxx politics and levels of bueaucracy to get your vaccination. BCF has been explaining to me how much paperwork is involved in getting your vaccination and how long it takes to be processed once you have your appointment. Its taking up to an hour per person!

The UK for all its faults has got things lined up in order to work efficiently on this.

We are critical of ourselves but we are exemplary on logistics implimented by the British Army. And its been the British Army (who were initially put in charge of logistics roll out of the vaccine) and the centralised nature of the NHS that have been our strengths and few other countries can compete with that. For once I do think we should be seeing this and acknowledging what we have done right. We still should examine and investigate where our planning and decision making on covid was a car crash of errors because thats how we improve for the future. But part of that assessment process definitely should include what we are doing right too...

Peregrina · 12/04/2021 14:51

Yes, British Army and NHS - that is where we have got it right.

Something thankfully kept out of the hands of Johnson's cronies.

DGRossetti · 12/04/2021 15:48

Visually impaired ?

Want to book a train ticket ?

Apparently you can go fuck yourselves. (As usual) no one gives a toss about you and your frankly uninteresting disabilities

www.theregister.com/2021/04/12/national_rail_prince_philip_fail/

Anyone still want to tell me how wrong I am ?

yellowspanner · 12/04/2021 16:51

JasJas, are you following my name changes?
I change my name frequently but I don't expect people to be checking up on me.
Why are you doing it?
I am sure it is against the rules of MN

HappyWinter · 12/04/2021 16:56

Thanks RedToothbrush, interesting to see the differences and how well our vaccine rollout is going. It is a good thing that the Army and NHS helped.

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2021 17:27

Heads up if you are age 48 or 49... looks like the computer is officially rolling out this evening. Reports of vaccination bookings being allowed in some areas (with more looking like they are being added as we speak).

Not seen anything for younger groups. Yet.

LostToucan · 12/04/2021 17:30

@yellowspanner

JasJas, are you following my name changes? I change my name frequently but I don't expect people to be checking up on me. Why are you doing it? I am sure it is against the rules of MN
But you did post on these threads about helping someone with their bees last month?
mrslaughan · 12/04/2021 17:32

Well DH turned 50 this week abs still hasn't been allowed to book....

Kendodd · 12/04/2021 17:38

If Italy has stopped shipments of vaccine to Australia, well actually I don't blame them, I think they've done the right thing given covid rates in Italy and Australia. I would hope the Australian people would understand and support this, I would if I was Australian. Can you imagine if we had rocketing rates here and yet were exporting vaccine to Australia?

yellowspanner · 12/04/2021 17:45

Losttoucan,
JasJas said I posted about bees under another name.
That suggests to me that she/he is checking up on me.
I think that is against site rules.

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