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Westminstenders: Move Your Business To The EU

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2021 14:46

The government is advising people to move their businesses to the EU to avoid UK taxation and red tape.

Why would you do this?

For the interests of the uk?

Or is it about power WITHIN the uk?

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MrsMauryBallstein · 29/01/2021 14:40

AZ are not in breach - there are no grounds for court action

Not sure I agree Persona. AZ is not (yet) in breach of obligations re timing of delivery (assuming your reading of those provisions are correct - I haven't checked) but may be in breach of other reasonable efforts obligations and also the warranty re competing contracts in clause 13.2

In any event injunctions are available to restrain future breaches of contract (at least in English courts)

However the AZ contract is governed by Belgian law. Unless you are a Belgian lawyer, I think the position is not as clear as you suggest.

Ultimately AZ appears to have/may have placed itself in a position where it is unable to perform both contracts. There's no tripartite mechanism as between EU, UK and AZ to resolve this or to prioritise interests, which is where the problem arises. Anyway my lunch hour is now over.... Grin

PawFives · 29/01/2021 14:54

Re worker’s rights - I thought possibly connected to the US too but couldn’t see how as their protections are so much lower (2 weeks statutory holiday?). Maybe it’s just now isn’t the time, but it’s something to keep an eye on.

RedToothBrush · 29/01/2021 15:08

Re tweeted by DAG

David Blagden @blagden_david
UK Twitter takes on the EU right now: “Ah-ha! I always told you they were the baddies!” vs “OMG! I thought they were this benign cosmopolitan social movement!”

Guys, any realist could’ve told you they’re neither a good nor bad actor. They’re just using their relative... 1/?

...power to advance their interests, like any state/bloc (especially one with substantial economic wherewithal facing a security crisis). The UK made its choice to be outside - which is fine, because there were costs to being inside - but shouldn’t now be surprised that a... 2/?

...big power is acting like all big powers ever. Short of towing the British Isles to the US Eastern Seaboard or the Asia-Pacific, as some seem to imagine is possible by proclaiming a slogan, the prudent realpolitikal choice remains preservation of cooperation with an... 3/?

..economic regional hegemon capable of making our lives much harder, if it chooses to, but with which we also have many common interests. Meanwhile, in Moscow, Beijing, and (whisper it) Washington, plenty will be delighted to see the European powers tearing strips off each other.

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Peregrina · 29/01/2021 15:11

Plate tectonics mean that with the Atlantic widening, the USA and UK are getting further apart. Not so's that most people would notice.

Peregrina · 29/01/2021 15:19

This initiative to house homeless people in camping pods is heartening to see - someone coming up with a simple even if stop gap solution.

PersonaNonGarter · 29/01/2021 15:23

@MrsMauryBallstein I just did a check and 13.1(e) any obligation would need to conflict with the terms of this agreement - those terms being Best Reasonable Efforts 13.1(d) only. It doesn’t change the standard from Best Reasonable Efforts.

Therefore, if I’ve said I’ll do my best to make the cupcakes/deliver the cupcakes that’s all I can do.

And by make cupcakes, I mean fit out two plants in the EU solely intended to deliver the vaccine. That sounds like Reasonable Efforts to me.

Coquohvan · 29/01/2021 15:33

EU just approves AZ vaccine for over 18’s.

ListeningQuietly · 29/01/2021 15:58

My friend on the J&J trial still feels fine Smile

Biden is going to be busy with the GOP and the EU for a while
Johnson is WAY down his list

Westminstenders: Move Your Business To The EU
Mistigri · 29/01/2021 16:46

I take it Persona is qualified in Belgian law ... quite different from U.K. law.

So many bad takes on this whole thing.

mrslaughan · 29/01/2021 16:58

The scrapping of the review of workers rights..... wouldn't be to do with the delay in the EU ratifying their safe if the deal?

mrslaughan · 29/01/2021 16:59

Sorry - there "side" of the deal?

DGRossetti · 29/01/2021 17:13

@mrslaughan

The scrapping of the review of workers rights..... wouldn't be to do with the delay in the EU ratifying their safe if the deal?
If what has been reported about the deal is true, I wouldn't have thought so. The whole point of the deal (as I have read in various diverse places) is that it puts UK standards and tariffs in lockstep. Lower one, raise the other. No intervention needed.

That's why it's going to cause problems somewhere down the line. You'll have the ERG headbangers proposing a new pay-to-work-regime (this time they mean it) but it will automatically trigger a swathe of tariffs. Leaving the ball most definitely in the UKs court.

borntobequiet · 29/01/2021 17:26

@Peregrina

Plate tectonics mean that with the Atlantic widening, the USA and UK are getting further apart. Not so's that most people would notice.
Say experts, and what would they know? One effect of Brexit will probably be to reverse seafloor spreading , shame they didn’t put that on the side of a bus.
Peregrina · 29/01/2021 17:43

Say experts, and what would they know?

Indeed and there is quite a lot of heated debate within the Earth Science community about things like this.

ListeningQuietly · 29/01/2021 17:46

I do suspect that some calm heads inside Whitehall are trying to get through to those with decision making access
that until the EU ratify the December deal
the UK is utterly over a barrel

and even if it is ratified, there are multiple waterfalls still to fall over

Born
The Atlantic gets wider by a few CM every year
-REALLY wants to visit Krafla

Peregrina · 29/01/2021 17:52

REALLY wants to visit Krafla

Me too. Iceland is my list for when travel is properly allowed again.

ListeningQuietly · 29/01/2021 18:00

I have been fascinated by Krafla since the first year of my Geography O level.
Plate tectonics was borderline into the syllabus - it only became fully accepted during my A level.
(((( geomorphology ))))
mess with experts in that field and you have a lava close encounter

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 29/01/2021 18:11

To lighten the mood, I bring you John Crace's take on Johnson's visit to Scotland yesterday:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/28/boris-johnsons-scotland-trip-proves-essential-to-nobody

ListeningQuietly · 29/01/2021 18:15

Icould
The Scientists reactions to Johnson bollocksing up some pipette work have been FAB Grin

ListeningQuietly · 29/01/2021 18:18

In case you've not seen it.
twitter.com/i/status/1355070527581401088

SabrinaThwaite · 29/01/2021 18:51

Iceland is a fabulous place (did an amazing 4x4 / camping trip there 25 years ago) and flew over rift volcanoes.

Lassen NP in California is pretty darn good too.

ListeningQuietly · 29/01/2021 18:58

Sabrina
California is a transverse subduction zone.
Iceland is almost unique as being a visible spreading zone (as the Atlantic is getting bigger but the Pacific is getting smaller)
I just love global geomorphology

HoneysuckIejasmine · 29/01/2021 19:01

[quote ListeningQuietly]In case you've not seen it.
twitter.com/i/status/1355070527581401088[/quote]
Oh good grief, what is he doing?!

DGRossetti · 29/01/2021 19:08

[quote ListeningQuietly]In case you've not seen it.
twitter.com/i/status/1355070527581401088[/quote]
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Io in laboratorio sono una bestia, ma vedere una spipettata così fa male anche a me

Grin
BlackeyedSusan · 29/01/2021 19:10

Wtf just happened? Did the news really just say imports into NI have been banned so we don't use it as a way to import vaccines?

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