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Westministenders: The Beginning of Negotiations

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RedToothBrush · 31/12/2020 15:42

Transition has a few hours left.

Then negotiations start and trade stops.

Far from being over, there are huge numbers of issues that lay unresolved.

And businesses both now in the UK and EU will cease to trade with each other just because the red tape is such a pain.

So whilst people will celebrate and think things are 'done' that just shows how much people are paying attention.

It will be interesting to see people gradually realising what has been lost...

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jasjas1973 · 04/01/2021 21:39

I can attest that our students are absolutely getting a full education despite the lack of f2f lectures

It doesn't appear to be what most are getting and a million miles away from what was promised in September.

My DD is thankfully going on placement for 12 weeks (she assumes?) but so far her course has been a waste of time and money.

TurquoiseBaubles · 04/01/2021 21:39

Boris should look exhausted, it's a shit show.

dd worked her shift on ITU today. She's not a qualified ICU nurse and yet she was left in charge of three ventilated patients. Her "supervising" nurse was also supervising other non-ICU qualified nurses as well as helping others with proning, ventilating etc etc. She rang me tonight and said she had decided from now on that when all three bells rang at the same time (which happened more than once) she was going to deal with the youngest patient first ........

Two patients she was involved with today died Sad

HannibalHayes · 04/01/2021 21:46

More Brexit winning...

HannibalHayes · 04/01/2021 21:49

Ooh, and coming to a TV near you in a couple of weeks. They'd better keep the security cameras on and live stream it!

HappyWinter · 04/01/2021 21:56

Goodness TurquoiseBaubles that must be so hard for her, what tough decisions they are having to make.

Flowers to everyone who is struggling with the school closures. And Wine. I jokingly said to DH the other night that he'll announce closing them at 8pm on Sunday, wrong night but last minute as always.

DrBlackbird · 04/01/2021 22:19

Agreed that it is a shit situation. Plus very likely huge variation in what's being delivered.

My RG uni had extensive DL programmes for MBAs and this has been efficiently rolled out to all courses including the UG's. Plus we're well resourced (have our own departmental IT and software developers), but many courses would not be in a similar situation. Especially smaller departments.

DrBlackbird · 04/01/2021 22:20

It's ironic that this is the second time that I've been well stocked (thanks to posters here) in anticipation of possible Brexit shortages only to find it's been very useful for Covid lockdowns...

Shrillharridan · 04/01/2021 22:21

My brexit Stash has been very useful 👍
I need alcohol
Lots of alcohol

ListeningQuietly · 04/01/2021 22:23

DrB
My DC is also at an RG and its a decent sized department
BUT
the nature of the course is that it does NOT translate well to online.
In no way at all are they doing more than the planned contact hours
and things like quizzes and extra zoom are not applicable to many subjects.

Frankly what students are getting is NOT what it said on the tin
and yet they are already paying interest on the fees .....

SabrinaThwaite · 04/01/2021 23:07

Johnson’s watch from his speech - doesn’t look like 8pm to me.

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Sostenueto · 04/01/2021 23:18

Well Dgd has paid for her accomodation till end if January and is due to pay again for next semester at end if January. She's still got half her stuff there because unfortunately I couldn't pick her up as I broke my knee in November and she could only manage huge suitcase and hiking rucksack in train. She did get small refund for next payment in loo of having to come home early. But she now can't go back till mid February and her practicals and lab work were delayed from first semester to this semester but will be cancelled again. Not sure if plastic brain gonna be of any use to dissect! She was gonna go back on 15th but that's bit the dust j

HannibalHayes · 04/01/2021 23:22

+WINNING UPDATE+

“99.6% of all Euro Share trading switched from London to Europe over the holiday weekend”.

Euro Share trading worth billions has simply, & almost completely, vanished from the UK after country’s financial mkt adjust to post Brexit rules.

HannibalHayes · 04/01/2021 23:24

From the FT

wherearemychickens · 04/01/2021 23:39

I've seen that news today Hannibal but I don't get what it means for the man (or woman) on the street - does it have tax revenue implications?

HannibalHayes · 04/01/2021 23:40

It's not the City's biggest revenue earner, but it still makes billions for the exchequer. Which it now wont.

wherearemychickens · 04/01/2021 23:42

Ah, yes then. More Brexit winning. We're excelling at declining as a country aren't we.

wherearemychickens · 04/01/2021 23:43

It's something when you catch yourself wishing Jeremy Hunt were Prime Minister.

DrBlackbird · 04/01/2021 23:44

Frankly what students are getting is NOT what it said on the tin

Completely agree that not all subjects translate well to online teaching. And I do feel for those paying for accommodation. Though our on campus UGs had f2f seminars throughout most of term one and most were grateful for that interaction despite the risk to staff.

More to the point, UGs are still getting an education in the midst of a global pandemic and most colleagues are working flat out to deliver a good education using technology and creativity. Plus, delivering online education is not costing the university any less unless you count the massive saving on photocopying with everyone wfh. In our department (business), it's costing far more. This govt certainly isn't going to step in and provide additional funds.

So no offence meant, but I struggle with the 'not getting what they paid for' argument though I appreciate student's frustrations.

OchonAgusOchonO · 04/01/2021 23:57

@Sostenueto - Not sure if plastic brain gonna be of any use to dissect!

Dd acquired a couple of sheep brains from a butcher and dissected them at home. Apparently, they are pretty similar, although the size of different bits vary.

HannibalHayes · 05/01/2021 01:18

Funny and sad in equal measures...

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MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 05/01/2021 07:44

So no offence meant, but I struggle with the 'not getting what they paid for' argument though I appreciate student's frustrations.

If you are, like many University lecturers, of the generations that either didn’t pay or had to pay much less for University I would be careful how and to whom you voice those sentiments. Especially when you are simultaneously complaining of the social skills youngsters are necessarily enculturated with by virtue of age and their increasingly oppressed position. If these are new students and have the confidence to email you it’s more than many would have had in the past, unless they were from the most privileged of backgrounds. Your department having to work doesn’t change the fact that it’s shit for them too.

jasjas1973 · 05/01/2021 08:47

So no offence meant, but I struggle with the 'not getting what they paid for' argument though I appreciate student's frustrations

If you don't understand that, you are in an ivory tower.

Most students may as well of stayed at home and done a OU course, saving a fortune on accomodation.
One of the issues my DD has found is any on line stuff is in real time, whereas OU learning can be fitted around the students life style, plus OU have fined tuned their learning package over decades, the uni's offering is very much 2nd rate.

i just hope all these students remember how johnson has treated them in 2024.

Peregrina · 05/01/2021 08:51

Euro Share trading worth billions has simply, & almost completely, vanished from the UK after country’s financial mkt adjust to post Brexit rules.

Whereas, if Brexit were the wonderful thing it's supposed to be, the reverse would have happened and billions would have flowed in from elsewhere, in addition to this trade being kept. The Tories would have something genuine to boast about other than a tampon tax or pulse fishing now being abolished, both of which they could have done before.

pointythings · 05/01/2021 09:09

Thing is re the Euro Share trading, there's going to be a substantial cohort of Leavers who will think this is a Brexit benefit - it's the elites getting a taste of their own medicine.

Peregrina · 05/01/2021 09:09

Most students may as well of stayed at home and done a OU course, saving a fortune on accomodation.

May I chip in here, as one with no student children, but one who did a conventional degree at bricks and mortar uni ('plate glass' in my case) and later with the OU. The quality of the degrees is comparable with both, but it's not the same experience, there is not the same chance to compare experiences with peers, to spread your wings and try new things which is very much what being a young adult is about. The OU does try with forums, and they used to do residentials which was fine as a mature adult fitting it round my life but not what I would have chosen as a 20 year old.

i just hope all these students remember how johnson has treated them in 2024.

Who could disagree?