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The Silence is Deafening

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Crankley · 25/12/2020 12:20

For the last however long, I have read threads and posts by Remainers stating confidently that the Prime Minister wanted a No Deal, would get a No Deal. Here are just a few quotes. Some Remainers may recognise their own predictions:

'He is going to give us No Deal and then fuck off into the sunset with millons in bungs from his crooked mates,'

'I'm pretty certain on no deal...'

'I fully expect a No Deal Brexit.'

'Bojo will 'deliver' no deal and then F off into the sunset'

'Boris Johnson and your disingenuous divs - How dare you try and spin a NoDeal'

'He was elected to not get a deal and to make his supporters feel good about the fact the had stuck it to the man (or something).'

There are lots more if you want them.

Now he has obtained a deal, where are all the threads by remainers? Do any have the the guts to hold up their hand up and say 'I was wrong'?

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Chersfrozenface · 26/12/2020 10:53

MintJulia says "There are loads of areas still to negotiate, but at least things will get discussed now and we can CHOOSE to agree with the EU if we wish, rather than be compelled..."

Well, up to a point, Lord Copper.

To quote the BBC's Reality Check:
"If either side moves away from common standards that exist on 31 December 2020, and if that has a negative impact on the other side, a dispute mechanism can be triggered which could mean tariffs (taxes on goods) being imposed. It is based around a "rebalancing" clause which gives both the EU and the UK the right to take steps if there are significant divergences. This clause is much stricter than measures found in other recent EU trade deals, and was a key demand on the European side. It is a mechanism we may hear a lot more about in the coming years.

The overall policing of the trade agreement also means that tariffs can be targeted at a specific sector as a result of a dispute in another. There will be a binding arbitration system involving officials from both sides. It means that even though this is a tariff-free agreement, the threat that tariffs can be introduced as a result of future disputes will be a constant factor in UK-EU relations."

Yes, the UK will be able to choose, but choices will have consequences.

Peregrina · 26/12/2020 10:54

It's a relief, Like the end of a 40 year row.

Don't count your chickens to soon. It's more like an initial simmering argument led to a bust up, which will now go back to a simmering argument.

Peregrina · 26/12/2020 10:56

GHIC - if it ever gets up and running, one which will exclude North America.

WishingHopingThinkingPraying · 26/12/2020 10:57

He's got a deal. The only good thing about it is that it's not no-deal. OP, you really just don't get it but me saying that will make zero difference.

ancientgran · 26/12/2020 10:59

As a Remainer I'm glad there is a deal, no deal would be a disaster but I'm still a Remainer, still feel we are doing the same thing and have no intention of congratulating the idiot who is our PM.

Peregrina · 26/12/2020 11:03

It’s the last and reddest of red lines - a state that cannot feed its people has failed.

It's a state that is choosing not to feed its people. Think of all those Tories who were whipped not to vote for the extension of Free school meals into the holidays, and readily obliged, only to have Johnson shamed into it by a young footballer.

TheSultanofPingu · 26/12/2020 11:09

Op, why haven't you been back?
Your silence is deafening.

nosswith · 26/12/2020 11:32

@flashbac perhaps most important of all, the European Arrest Warrant. So those in the EU can commit a crime, abscond, and might never face justice.

Some of us are old enough to remember those in the 70s and 80s who fled to Spain to escape UK justice. Ronnie Knight for example.

blueangel19 · 26/12/2020 11:34

Oh don’t you worry they are looking into what to moan about it next. Also, which bits of the deals to criticise.

Nothing Boris do is good for them but I thank god everyday it is not terrorist sympathiser Corbyn in power. We are still paying the price for Tony Blair and Boris had the worst job any PM faced after the war.

Peregrina · 26/12/2020 11:48

I will confidently predict that the Tories will nod Johnson's deal through. When they then study the deal they will realise it is indeed 'thin' and then the moaning will start up again, 'the EU won't let us do', 'the EU insists' 'the EU is punishing us' and on and on. What they won't have the guts to say is that 'Johnson was a crap negotiator.'

Also, as we found last week, (lesson here for Raab) we can't escape geography. We really are dependent on the Dover - Calais crossing.

Parker231 · 26/12/2020 11:51

100% remainer. Yes there is a deal but it’s nothing to be excited about. Thankfully I have an EU passport so the future is brighter for me.

bellinisurge · 26/12/2020 12:07

If we change our standards in a way that is contrary to what the EU accepts for standards, we might get tariffs slapped on us. Can't wait till all the Brexiteers on here clock that one.

Peregrina · 26/12/2020 12:13

Can't wait till all the Brexiteers on here clock that one.

Nasty EU bullying us, and we had no say. Johnson was forced to sign the Deal.Grin Some truth in that last sentence maybe.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 26/12/2020 12:16

testing, a valid EHIC card is valid until its expiry date. This was a late concession from the EU, I believe.
So if you are lucky enough to have one valid until 2024, it will be honoured.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 26/12/2020 12:22

But hee,grin hee the Chardonnay quine...

I think you'll find that's where your problem lies.

I voted Remain, I campaigned for a new ref, I signed petitions and and I went to all marches. I posted on your many threads.

And then I moved on because and even though this deal is not as good as what would have been had we stayed in the EU it's better than the alternative. I stopped worshipping the EU and I don't think the UK needs to be punished for what they voted for.

It seems you haven't, you are stuck and you keep producing the same bitter output and that's endless whinging.

Peregrina · 26/12/2020 12:23

Boo - mine only lasts another year. But not to worry, the all singing all dancing GHIC will be up and running then.Grin

KonTikki · 26/12/2020 12:24

Mine runs out in April - sigh.
But no need for international driving licences - yet !

Peregrina · 26/12/2020 12:29

I stopped worshipping the EU and I don't think the UK needs to be punished for what they voted for.

Is the UK being punished for what it voted for? Or is that EU operating by its own rules, some of which the UK helped to formulate, and the current post 2010 Tory party just being so uninterested in its workings that they couldn't be bothered to find out what they are? Then refusing to negotiate in a co-operative spirit? But then usefully blaming the EU for their own policies.

As for Leave voters, they have got their Brexit, they need to own the consequences. If they are as good as they said they were going to be, then what is their problem?

Mistigri · 26/12/2020 12:33

U.K. votes to to become a third country. EU treats you like a third country. Brexiters bleat about punishment.

Plus ça change ....

GordonsAliveAndEatsPies · 26/12/2020 12:43

I could be a remainder, I could be a leaver - I never comment on the specifics even to family, but I do believe that whilst leavers would have accepted the result in 2016, ardent retainers just never did. Therefore, if there not been a deal the ardent remainers would not have let the fact that ‘it’s Christmas’ stop the oppprtunity for a good pick, gloat and general outrage that the country will burn. As it is, there is a deal and now the response is ‘it’s Christmas’ ie: get back in your box for daring to comment. Typical.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 26/12/2020 12:43

Well said, Misti

yellowspanner · 26/12/2020 12:50

I am a Brexiteer and am happy that Boris managed to get this deal. Macron caved in on how long they have before we can renegotiate our fishing licences. Thia gives us five and a half years to rebuild our fishing fleets and our Govt. are funding this.

And we have our own immigration scheme based on points. I can't see an argument there. What is wrong with it.
I know people are saying "but I used to be able to do...., or I now can't do....". But that is on a personal level. I can still travel (post Covid) all over Europe and the rest of the world just like I always have.
I try to think what is best for our country overall. And we are now, once again, able to make our own laws without having the ECJ overloading it over our courts.

Mistigri · 26/12/2020 12:54

Why do people assume that remainers aren't pleased about a deal? It's not the deal I would want, but it's still much better than the dumpster fire that no deal would have been (and which Kent had a taste of this past week).

I find it incredibly weird, and rather telling, that you are celebrating Brexit now when Brexit happened 11 months ago. The transition would have ended on 31/12/20 deal or no deal. A deal is good for everyone, but especially for remainers, because no deal and an acrimonious breakdown of relationships (including but not limited to a blockade of British ports by European fishing boats) would have reduced the prospect of a future rapprochement.

DemolitionBarbie · 26/12/2020 13:09

Biden winning the US election made no deal hugely less attractive. They were going to do a deal from that point on. That's why Cummings left.

Whatever way you look at it, it's a bucket of shite.

Peregrina · 26/12/2020 13:12

but I do believe that whilst leavers would have accepted the result in 2016, ardent retainers just never did.

Farage had said that if the result had gone the other way, it would have been unfinished business. The No Dealers in Parliament will vote Johnson's deal through and then start bellyaching about it. The General Public weren't all that interested before the Referendum, and will go back to being uninterested, but may begin to find some things more irksome - like not using the EU passport gates. And for people like Architects, Doctors, Nurses i.e. professionally qualified staff, the fact that 'they used to be able to work in the EU', and now have qualifications which are not automatically recognised' might not just be irksome but hamper their livelihoods.

Thia gives us five and a half years to rebuild our fishing fleets and our Govt. are funding this.

Fine but let us come back in five and a half years and see whether they put their money were their mouths were.