The Silence is Deafening

[Crankley]

For the last however long, I have read threads and posts by Remainers stating confidently that the Prime Minister wanted a No Deal, would get a No Deal. Here are just a few quotes. Some Remainers may recognise their own predictions:

'He is going to give us No Deal and then fuck off into the sunset with millons in bungs from his crooked mates,'

'I'm pretty certain on no deal...'

'I fully expect a No Deal Brexit.'

'Bojo will 'deliver' no deal and then F off into the sunset'

'Boris Johnson and your disingenuous divs - How dare you try and spin a NoDeal'

'He was elected to not get a deal and to make his supporters feel good about the fact the had stuck it to the man (or something).'

There are lots more if you want them.

Now he has obtained a deal, where are all the threads by remainers? Do any have the the guts to hold up their hand up and say 'I was wrong'?

And what did we get?

This? From the Guardian;

State aid
The EU had insisted the UK align with its state aid rules. Brussels was concerned that the UK government would seek to find a competitive advantage through subsidies. The UK successfully killed off this idea. The UK will set up its own subsidy regime. The new domestic enforcement body can make decisions over whether state aid has distorted trade after the subsidy has been granted. This is a major concession by the EU.

Great.

So what “gains” did we get on services? You know the bit where the UK runs a trade surplus? Like financial passporting?

There was no pile on. Unless you call posting to ask reasonable questions where the "like of us isn't wanted" = a pile on.
And yes you were in Active. A lot.
You kid yourselves you are welcoming open minded and reasonable. You'll keep kidding yourselves . It's kinda how we got here.
Grifters gonna grift. Suckers gonna fall for it.

There are measures in the agreement for the possible imposition of tariffs if the UK diverges notably from existing standards.

One of the bits Clavinova has missed out.

Oh, @Clavinova , you missed off the following paragraph from The Grauniad:

However, the UK will have to ensure that its subsidy regime respects key principles set out in the treaty. The deal also allows both parties to adopt remedial measures if there is evidence that the domestic enforcement body has failed to uphold the shared principles.

@Toptotoeunicolour

All those people on here a few days ago thinking sod the fish, let's just get the deal. Now the only thing they've got left to complain about is the fish. Must be really annoying .

You haven't read even the most basic summary pros and cons then?

Oh, Clavinova , you missed off the following paragraph from The Grauniad

I copied a complete paragraph ending with;
This is a major concession by the EU.

@Clavinova

Oh, Clavinova , you missed off the following paragraph from The Grauniad

I copied a complete paragraph ending with;
This is a major concession by the EU.

And conveniently missed off the second and concluding paragraph under the State Aid heading, which you did manage to include in your C&P

Why would I not end my point with;
"This is a major concession by the EU" - especially from the Guardian.

Because it’s only half of the Guardian’s perspective - curiously, just the half that suits your argument.

Still don’t know where the gains are though?

The Observer editorial today doesn't hold back laying into the architects of this shambles. Should really be made widely available as possible, be sent to every single Tory council, to every small minded Little Englander who voted for this shit (or were duped into voting) and be put on the national curriculum. Still awaiting to see any real benefits or positives from this 'deal'.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/27/the-observer-view-on-the-brexit-deal

"Boris Johnson lives with his partner and their young son"... is half a descriptor. Want to finish the rest, Clav.

For a country where 'We hold all the cards' they seem to have been played extraordinary badly.

[quote sally067]The Observer editorial today doesn't hold back laying into the architects of this shambles. Should really be made widely available as possible, be sent to every single Tory council, to every small minded Little Englander who voted for this shit (or were duped into voting) and be put on the national curriculum. Still awaiting to see any real benefits or positives from this 'deal'.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/27/the-observer-view-on-the-brexit-deal[/quote]
I'd like to know the views / reactions to that editorial from the leavers on here. What can they show me that suggests it's incorrect and that we are actually now in a better position than we were as EU members, and how things will continue to get better. Not in a generation, but now, next year, in five years etc.
Please PLEASE just tell me how this is a good thing?!

I'd like to know the views / reactions to that editorial from the leavers on here.

None of them have replied to any of my points on this thread (or others). I will likely lose my job and our company will relocate because of Brexit, they don't realise that hundreds of thousands of professional people don't want to become fishermen or fruit pickers.

Beyond posting Union Jack flags, saying the words 'sovereignty' and 'will of the people' they don't really have any other answers.

I find it amazing having read back through history that we still decide things based on referendums, hopefully this will be the last one we see in this country, you can't decide complex political decisions on referendums that are mostly based on emotions. If any treaty or trade deal was decided on referendum I doubt any would go through. However I did see Kelvin Mackenzie tweet on Christmas Day that we should have a referendum on bringing back Capital Punishment.

Generally speaking, we don't decide things by Referendums. If we did use them routinely as the Swiss do, we would probably build in more checks and balances. Instead of which we appeared to have written the rules for the last one on the back of an old envelope.

A read through this should put anyone sane off wanting referendums to decide anything:

www.conversion-uplift.co.uk/brexit-referendum-and-democracy/

There is a good reason why they are banned in Germany.

I'd like to know the views / reactions to that editorial from the leavers on here.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/27/the-observer-view-on-the-brexit-deal

I'd also like to see others viewpoints on the editorial with solid reasons about why it is right or wrong.

Well Sally067 you really honestly think that what is written in an editorial in the Observer should be on the school curriculum!! So do you honestly think this piece is totally unbiased, factual and correct in every way? You must be totally mad. That was one of the worst editorial pieces I've ever read, it's so loaded with bias it's untrue. And you think Lavers have been brain washed!!

So tell us why it is wrong @Corcory

Anyone see that thread on AIBU about the Guardian newspaper? I think this summarises it quite well:

The Metropolitan liberal-left worldview which the Guardian represents has had a tough few years.

The Tories won the 2015 general election.
Leave won the 2016 referendum.
The Tories were the largest party at the 2017 general election, and stayed in government.^
The Tories won the 2019 general election by a landslide, capturing dozens of seats which had been Labour for generations.
The U.K. left the EU on 31 January 2020.

Instead of asking itself and its readers difficult questions about why their agenda has been so comprehensively rejected by the electorate time after time after time, the Guardian remains in a state of anger, despair and denial. In particular, any suggestion that the British public has decisively rejected uncontrolled mass immigration is still regarded as racist heresy.

And that's exactly how it's plays out on MN politics threads.

I would suggest if you want to know what the real picture/sense of feeling is in the U.K.then take whatever you read in the Guardian/Observer, apply the complete opposite view and then you would have something more accurate.

I will stick with the cebr report that I posted to earlier and wait and see how things develop.

I wouldn't get too carried away just yet.

Brexit was 11 months ago

The new trade deal kicks in next week

By the time Brexit is a year old
we'll have a fair idea how its going

I cannot wait

Financial services bring in a truly huge amount of money to the UK. Not included in the agreement.

Music, the arts, culture, not included.

'New' trade deals are just to try to get what we already had as EU members.

Quality of life in the UK will fall significantly due to Brexit. The most idiotic self harming thing ever.