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Westministenders: Festive Edition

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RedToothBrush · 22/12/2020 21:00

Good King BBBBaBoris looked out,
on the Port of Dover,
There the shit lay round about,
Deep around the stopover;
Brightly shone the moon that night,
Tho’ the frost was cruel,
When a poor man came in sight,
Delivering stuff for Yule.

“Bugger SAGE and stand by me,
We've all stuff that needs selling,
Yonder peasant, who is he?
Where and what his dwelling?”
“Sire, he lives a good league hence,
The other side the EU;
Though relations maybe tense,
He's trying to get goods through.”

“Oh god I need another wine,
I have many crisis to consider:
We must tell them its all fine,
I must not be seen to dither.”
SAGE and monarch, forth they went,
forth they went together;
Through the nation's sad lament
and really crappy weather.

“Sire, our plight is darker now,
And the covid transmission stronger;
Fails my heart, I know not how;
To keep Tier 2 much longer.”
“Soon we can drop their wage.
And treat them all more coldly
In Britain's new chrony age
A time to rob more boldly.”

In their master’s steps they trod,
On the quest to get minted;
Each and every last sod
Needs to be fingerprinted.
Therefore, Christian men, be sure,
DWP claimants are processing,
Ye who now will bless the poor,
God its all so depressing.

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Mistigri · 30/12/2020 11:49

Kevin Brennan, Lab: "I simply don't understand why it's necessary for those who believe this is a bad deal to vote for it and dip their fingertips in the indelible ink of this abject failure of national ambition."

This is why I think a free vote would have been the best strategy. It's possible to make perfectly rational arguments about all three options (FWIW I wouldn't vote against, if I were an MP; but this is a decent argument for doing so).

Mistigri · 30/12/2020 11:54

If Labour hopes to win over the red wall Brexit Arms type voters, it's lost before it started. As the multiple angry posts on here show, nothing will appease the cult. They will never be happy. You could erect a barbed wire fence all round the country, torpedo immigrant boats in the channel and reinstate the death penalty - and it still wouldn't be enough.

52andblue · 30/12/2020 12:05

@Mistigri
I agree. I would 'never be enough' because it isn't about Politics for some of them - it's about feeling powerless in their own lives (rightly or wrongly) and that emotive howl of anguish is behind at least some of this. To see how someone's psyche plays out in their political outlook you have some very fine examples in the current Cabinet - look at Patel, Gove, Johnson, JRM. Not for many years have we been led by such a bunch of fanatics. Which seems to make emotive fanatical voting in general more acceptable in the populace.'

52andblue · 30/12/2020 12:11

@bornatXmastobequiet
Bill Cash - now there's a blast from the past.
'Twat'? makes me think of the saying: 'he doesn't have the depth' etc
(Thatcher, whatever you think of her, did have to deal with some misogynistic idiots in her time)

TheElementsOfMedical · 30/12/2020 12:19

The BeLeavers are so hilariously, transparently dishonestly, angry. I have to take my entertainment where I can, so I have to admit I'm enjoying the

"Angry I'M Angry NOT Angry ANGRY Angry I Angry ALWAYS Angry TALK Angry LIKE Angry THIS Angry WHEN Angry I'M Angry HAPPY Angry"

GrinGrinGrin

ListeningQuietly · 30/12/2020 12:23

I am not watching any TV today.
Especially politicians.
My MP has not replied to my message.
I feel utterly politically homeless at the moment
and VERY angry

But my kids are safe, DH and I are safe and my aged parent is back out of hospital and will hopefully live long enough for me to see them next year.

DS has been flint knapping in the garden so we have a selection of new bladed weapons Grin

AllDoneIn · 30/12/2020 12:25

What. A. Carol.

Applauds Grin

Mistigri · 30/12/2020 12:30

I've totally got over Brexit tbh. I'm only here for a bit of gentle trolling of bad winners.

I do feel sad for people whose lives have been upended - and that includes people who were conned into voting leave and who are likely to lose their businesses as a result, like Mr Eel Man who is all over social media.

(I'm well aware that my privilege is on show: brexit doesn't affect my kids, and its impact on me is manageable. I understand why people for whom that's not true are angry).

DGRossetti · 30/12/2020 12:34

Just leave this here ...

Westministenders: Festive Edition
GhostofFrankGrimes · 30/12/2020 12:37

If we tolerate this, our children will be next, as the Manics once said.

This is the thing that worries me the most and that not enough people have woken up to the dangers of populism marching on unabated.

52andblue · 30/12/2020 12:40

I've just seen that Bill Cash is comparing BJ to Pericles, and saying that Churchill and Thatcher would be 'proud of him'. WTF ?? 'Twat' indeed....

Jason118 · 30/12/2020 12:44

Bill Cash thinks phone numbers still only have three digits.

ListeningQuietly · 30/12/2020 12:45

While everybody tries to compare Johnson to Churchill, this is an amusing read
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/30/boris-johnson-decried-purchase-churchill-papers-national-archives

ListeningQuietly · 30/12/2020 12:45

And maybe Rory Bremner could wind up some Tory MPs now
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55477424

Sostenueto · 30/12/2020 13:02

Think it ridiculous to say opposition turned it's back on EU.

HappyWinter · 30/12/2020 13:03

This is the thing that worries me the most and that not enough people have woken up to the dangers of populism marching on unabated.

It sells because it offers easy solutions. We need to work out exactly where less right wing politicians are going wrong, otherwise we'll be stuck with this government or one very like it for a long time. We need to work out why people don't feel like they are being listened to.

I wish people would get angry about more tangible things like crappy public services and underfunded hospitals rather than wanting to leave the EU.

LouiseCollins28 · 30/12/2020 13:18

@HappyWinter

This is the thing that worries me the most and that not enough people have woken up to the dangers of populism marching on unabated.

It sells because it offers easy solutions. We need to work out exactly where less right wing politicians are going wrong, otherwise we'll be stuck with this government or one very like it for a long time. We need to work out why people don't feel like they are being listened to.

I wish people would get angry about more tangible things like crappy public services and underfunded hospitals rather than wanting to leave the EU.

I cannot, and wouldn't wish to try to give people answers to these important questions. I was reading this though over my Christmas break and I think it's a creditable peice of work. Sorry it is rather huge, maybe just dip in and out lol.

www.labourtogether.uk/review

I actually think the "way ahead" chapter is the weakest of the peice, but it does lay out some potentially sensible steps.

People attempting to decide for me what I should, or shouldn't be angry about as though they know my interests better than I do is a major obstacle, IMO.

52andblue · 30/12/2020 13:20

@ListeningQuietly thanks for that link re Churchill papers.
He really has NO moral compass at all, does he? (BJ I mean)

Yes re the dangers of the rise of unthinking populism (of any shade)
We are in dangerous waters. It is not a day to be proud to be British that's for sure :(

DGRossetti · 30/12/2020 13:22

The real problem is the corrupt press.

Tories can lie their heads off, and never be called to account for it. They've effectively promised to scrap taxation while spending infinitely on whatever people want them to, and no one in the media called them out on it.

Meanwhile, Labour suggest maybe buying everyone a TicTac for Xmas, and the media are all over it as "fantasy economics".

It's the press that grease the slipway to populism and thence fascism.

This is what I learned at my fathers knee. As his father learned to keep out of Mussolinis way.

52andblue · 30/12/2020 13:24

shouldn't we ALL be angry about lack of funding for NHS though?
shouldn't we ALL be angry about Govt waste and inefficiency?
whether it directly affects us or not, it affects our neighbours, our communities.

HappyWinter · 30/12/2020 13:25

Louise Do you not get angry about those things too? They affect nearly everyone's daily lives. I'm not trying to decide what you should be angry about, just wishing that voters would focus on those issues too.

Thanks for the link, I will check it out.

ListeningQuietly · 30/12/2020 13:50

I just skim read that www.labourtogether.uk/review
site.

And IMHO they will never win another election with that outlook.
Not one single mention of the fact that they pissed off a LOT of women
by denying that Adult Human Females exist.
Even now Labour spokespersons will not use the word woman in their tweets and messaging.
Until they do, I remain politically homeless.

When I see a thread on the Feminism board praising Liz Truss
I know that the world has turned upside down.

Mistigri · 30/12/2020 13:53

Truss is the polar opposite of what women should see as role models - she is someone who got where she has by having no principles, no particular competence, and who has become popular by never sticking her head above the parapet.

The covid crisis in particular has provided some much more admirable, competent and human role models for us.

DGRossetti · 30/12/2020 14:08

@HappyWinter

Louise Do you not get angry about those things too? They affect nearly everyone's daily lives. I'm not trying to decide what you should be angry about, just wishing that voters would focus on those issues too.

Thanks for the link, I will check it out.

As soon as you accept that corruption is OK because it's being done by "your" side, the war is lost.

We missed the bit where the press rotated the optics. It used to be the case that being elected to public office demanded a higher standard of behaviour from the incumbent.

Now the very fact of their election is used to excuse them from those standards. "Will of the people" and all that. Boris and the boys are allowed to get away with their cronyism by saying "we're elected, donchaknow ? We can do whatever we like "

It doesn't really matter how "angry" people like Louise are. They'll still vote Tory, so that's all that matters.

PussyCatInChristmasStockings · 30/12/2020 14:12

"Steaming cup of excrement"
🤔That's the nicest thing the SNP have said about BoJo the 🤡 deal.