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Westministenders: Festive Edition

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RedToothBrush · 22/12/2020 21:00

Good King BBBBaBoris looked out,
on the Port of Dover,
There the shit lay round about,
Deep around the stopover;
Brightly shone the moon that night,
Tho’ the frost was cruel,
When a poor man came in sight,
Delivering stuff for Yule.

“Bugger SAGE and stand by me,
We've all stuff that needs selling,
Yonder peasant, who is he?
Where and what his dwelling?”
“Sire, he lives a good league hence,
The other side the EU;
Though relations maybe tense,
He's trying to get goods through.”

“Oh god I need another wine,
I have many crisis to consider:
We must tell them its all fine,
I must not be seen to dither.”
SAGE and monarch, forth they went,
forth they went together;
Through the nation's sad lament
and really crappy weather.

“Sire, our plight is darker now,
And the covid transmission stronger;
Fails my heart, I know not how;
To keep Tier 2 much longer.”
“Soon we can drop their wage.
And treat them all more coldly
In Britain's new chrony age
A time to rob more boldly.”

In their master’s steps they trod,
On the quest to get minted;
Each and every last sod
Needs to be fingerprinted.
Therefore, Christian men, be sure,
DWP claimants are processing,
Ye who now will bless the poor,
God its all so depressing.

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ListeningQuietly · 29/12/2020 20:12

But look, even if Labour decide to support, few may remember out there in the ordinary world at the next election.
You clearly do not follow how GE election campaigns base themselves around past actions work.

It is ULTRA important that Labour are able to oppose the outcomes of tomorrow
without having polluted themselves by pushing in either direction
over the next few years

Peregrina · 29/12/2020 20:15

I fully agree veeeh. Abstain, and make sure that this is a Tory Brexit. If it all goes swimmingly then fine, they will be able to take the credit.

Corbyn didn't show up for People's Vote marches, because he was worried about the seats in the Red Wall. He went and lost them anyway, so his fence sitting did no good. Starmer is in danger of making exactly the same mistake. If he believes it's a bad deal he should have the courage of his convictions and say so. The Tories will get it through with their large majority.

ArrowsOfMistletoe · 29/12/2020 20:22

The Brexit Arms is all gloating triumphalist backslapping, no discussion there at all. Utterly pointless.

TatianaBis · 29/12/2020 20:25

As the ERG are apparently on board, no reason for Labour not to abstain.

DGRossetti · 29/12/2020 21:30

Brexit: UK sausage makers face EU export ban

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55479354

Yes Minister made real.

veeeeh · 29/12/2020 21:43

@DGRossetti

Brexit: UK sausage makers face EU export ban

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55479354

Yes Minister made real.

Ah FGS.
ListeningQuietly · 29/12/2020 22:00

Peregrina
I was with Babooshka at the last remain march
we all knew by then that Corbyn was pro Brexit tory mole

His version of the Labour party is narrow sectarianism
people's front of Judea V. Judean people's front
Identity politics will never deliver good governance as its all about division
as Biden is about to find out

Starmer is in a bind
and abstaining is his best route out of it

SabrinaThwaite · 29/12/2020 22:14

I’m surprised the Brexit Arms has been allowed to be resuscitated.

Given how it was closed down last time.

Peregrina · 29/12/2020 22:18

How did the Brexit Arms close last time?

prettybird · 29/12/2020 22:20

I don't even cross the threshold. Some places just aren't worth going, so why waste the time? Wink

Peregrina · 29/12/2020 22:24

Nor do I - I wandered in once about 3 years ago by accident.

TheElementsOfMedical · 29/12/2020 22:24

@SabrinaThwaite

I’m surprised the Brexit Arms has been allowed to be resuscitated.

Given how it was closed down last time.

What happened, was it so overflowing with milk and honey that the doors stuck shut?
Peregrina · 29/12/2020 22:29

Considering they won, they seem extremely cross. What about winners being magnanimous? However I can see from what I have read of Johnson's wonderful, world beating deal that he has actually let a lot of people on his own side down. No surprise there from a man sacked twice for lying, from a man who cheats on every woman he has a relationship with.

TheABC · 29/12/2020 22:29

I am relieved that there's something in place and Johnson has managed to mildly surprise me by doing so.

I also think it's too soon to deliver a verdict on the real-world consequences. Covid-19 is muting everything at this stage and the Toryscape will now be focused on
squashing the Scottish Independence debate.

SabrinaThwaite · 29/12/2020 22:35

Brexit Arms threads had been deleted so many times that OPs had to ask permission from MN to start a new one.

I think Bellini remembers the last one - it wasn’t nice.

I thought they’d buggered off to Reddit or somewhere.

Peregrina · 29/12/2020 22:35

I have mixed feelings about Scottish Independence, but I don't live there.

I would love to see another Referendum there get a high pro independence vote say 66:34% just to see Johnson and chums try to explain why a 52:48% vote in favour of Brexit was 'overwhelming', but a 2:1 majority is 'a close result'.

We did of course see Clavinova try that one on with the Trump result.

ListeningQuietly · 29/12/2020 22:39

I know that Pretty will not like me for saying this
but Sturgeon and the SNP need to
STFU about independence for at least the next 12 months
why?
Because we are all about to find out what
independence and freedom mean in the real world
rather than teletubbie world

so if Nicola is clever she can sit back and let the anger driver her next vote

and if it does not, she'd have lost anyway

whatever,
this is a time to wait and see what the Tory offering looks like
they caused it
they made it
they own it
lets see what they do with it

veeeeh · 29/12/2020 22:41

If EU is ok with it, and UK also, it is all over for most now.

I suppose there will be mutterings about Erasmus, Free Movement and so on. And the fish of course.

This should have been done within a year. But then again UK is just so efficient.

So all that's left is visa free travel, Erasmus, and what was that? oh, OK, passporting Financial Services. Forgot that one.

May as well have stayed. But rub the hands together folks there will be the EU contribution to be divvied out now. Where will it go I wonder?

Peregrina · 29/12/2020 22:51

It isn't all over though - there are a raft of committees to decide on a host of issues. Then when people start to travel again - whoops passport hasn't got six months left to run, or if you make it onto the plane, EHIC expired and the supposed GHIC which replaces it isn't recognised, and a hundred and one little gotcha's that no one thought about.

Hasn't the EU contribution been promised 10 times over - rather like a couple of friends of mine who spent an expected tax rebate ten times and when it arrived it was a quarter of what was expected?

Cornwall was in the queue, then there is the £350 million a week for the NHS, frictionless trade - OK Gove is manfully trying to spin this as a bonus..

prettybird · 29/12/2020 22:53

Actually that's what she does most of the time: refuses to answer questions regarding independence during the daily Covid briefings, despite repeated prodding, and only directly talking about independence when there are specific political events (like the Brexit Deal Wink) where Independence would have made a difference.

She's taken a lot of flack from SNP supporters not me for not making more of it and for not threatening proposing an unauthorised referendum.

veeeeh · 29/12/2020 22:57

Peregrina,

You know this and many others do too. But the majority don't care anymore because nothing will change for them in their eyes. But things will.

I guess these threads will carry on for a long time.

Peregrina · 29/12/2020 22:57

Yes, she has to do it wholly above board and it has to be a convincing majority. Some Scots won't like it, but it might then make them realise what Remainers have put up with for the last 4 years.

TheABC · 29/12/2020 23:48

I think both Scotland and RUK will be poorer for breaking up, but I also respect the wishes of that country for wanting self-determination and control. Either way, the current set up is not sustainable and something will have to give. I live in hope of devo-max, I suspect it will be another referendum.

Peregrina · 30/12/2020 00:02

ABC - I was thinking on similar lines, something has to give. I was then then thinking of how communism collapsed in E Europe. Despite large numbers of E Germans being part of the Stasi and reporting their neighours for infractions, in the end the various eastern regimes lost enough support from ordinary people and seemed to implode.

Maybe that it too simplistic.

Devo max might be better for Scotland and the rest of the UK, but I think Johnson's Government have shown how completely untrustworthy they are, so it would be a matter of time before they reneged on an agreement. In which case a proper Independence treaty would be better.

DrBlackbird · 30/12/2020 00:03

Anyone else read Starmer's interview in the Guardian? I was disappointed tbh. Sounds like he's just completely given up on the EU.

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