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Deal or No Deal

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MarshmallowManiac · 09/12/2020 21:06

What do we think at this late stage in the proceedings? I know which horse I'm backing, and it's called 'Stick it up your Sovereignty'. Unfortunately I feel he'll be bringing No Deal home, but I hope I'm wrong.

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AlexaShutUp · 09/12/2020 21:13

I have no idea tbh. I swing between thinking that we'll crash out without a deal and then thinking that even BJ can't be so irresponsible and that he'll cave at the last minute and make whatever concessions are required.

In my more rational moments, I realise that I shouldn't project my own standards of responsibility onto our shameless PM. He will swing in whichever direction the mood takes him at the time, I guess. I am so unspeakably cross at the way he is playing games with people's lives like this.

The only thing I'm certain about right now is that, deal or no deal, we'll walk away with a worse deal than the one that we had in the EU. What an utterly futile exercise the whole project has been!

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MarshmallowManiac · 09/12/2020 21:17

I am so cross too Alexa, doesn't he care that his recklessness and idiotic bluster will affect so many people and detrimentally change their lives.

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LadyAcony · 09/12/2020 21:18

The only thing I'm certain about right now is that, deal or no deal, we'll walk away with a worse deal than the one that we had in the EU.

This with bells on.

But we’ll have taken back control Hmm

tenredthings · 09/12/2020 21:19

No deal was always the plan. Years of Tory Austerity to devalue all our assets so they could be sold off cheap to their Global capitalist mates in the smash and loot fest of No Deal.

Once Britain is on its knees they will capitalise on the chaos by cutting and changing all the existing rules which get in their greedy, money grabbing way. It's text book Disaster Capitalism but Im sure these Etonian chumps don't understand just what they're unleashing.

AlexaShutUp · 09/12/2020 21:20

I don't think he cares about anything other than his own ego tbh.

Eve · 09/12/2020 21:24

No deal and workers rights removed by April - as unemployment rockets and we need to help business ( ie Tory donors) employ people!

Eyewhisker · 09/12/2020 21:34

Deal. Johnson has no principles and no shame. He’ll agree to what was on offer from the start and present it as a victory.

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MarshmallowManiac · 09/12/2020 21:36

I think that too tenredthings, always a buck to be made through other people's misfortune, good ol' Boris.

He definitely doesn't Alexa Sad

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AlexaShutUp · 09/12/2020 21:36

He’ll agree to what was on offer from the start and present it as a victory.

Yes, that's a distinct possibility.

Peregrina · 09/12/2020 23:14

He'll do what ever preserves Boris. Does he have a feel for which way the crowd are going? As Heseltine said, 'he sees the way the crowd is running, darts ahead and shouts "follow me." '

People are utterly sick of things now with the better part of a year of corona virus, so how much more disruption can we take?

AlexaShutUp · 09/12/2020 23:19

As Heseltine said, 'he sees the way the crowd is running, darts ahead and shouts "follow me." '

So true.

Pippin2028 · 09/12/2020 23:25

I think we have so much drama over Brexit, ultimately so many brits live and work in eu, so many EU citizens work over here, there is nothing to gain by screwing each other over. I think even it it is a no deal, it won't be the end of the world because ulitaltmely we need them and they need us in certain cases. I think all this speculation and drama is doing no one any favors. At the start of 2020 we didn't know pandemic was coming and what our lives would be, but the world has still continued turning, life has gone on and so it will whatever happens on Regards to brexit. Scaremongering that is so loved in media and on this site will help no one

Peregrina · 09/12/2020 23:38

we didn't know pandemic was coming and what our lives would be, but the world has still continued turning, life has gone on

Tell that to those people whose loved ones died as a result of corona virus - or those who have had other treatments like cancer treatment delayed and it's now too late for them to be operated on.

raskolnikova · 09/12/2020 23:46

As a British person who has lived, studied and worked in the EU, currently in the UK with a Spanish-born British daughter (whose father and half-sister live in the EU), it's the UK government that is thoroughly screwing me (and millions of others) over. And my ex, but that's another story.

To make matters worse, where I'm from in the UK is a rural farming county with a Eurosceptic Tory MP who is happy to screw his constituents over.

jj90914 · 10/12/2020 06:11

who is happy to screw his constituents over.

Where I’m from, the constituents are chomping at the bit to screw themselves over sadly.

TheresSnowHelpForUs · 10/12/2020 07:01

The problem is (imho) that the general public are still too ignorant of what No Deal means. There is a bit more in the news about it but most people don't think there's likely to be food and medicine shortages etc come January (if there was we'd be seeing more prepping, perhaps even panic buying). As people aren't really scared of No Deal, BJ won't lose face by going for that. Once reality kicks in however he'll want to "save" us. So I reckon No Deal for now followed by a hasty bad one in the first week of Jan. That might be too late to stop civil unrest though.

FreshfieldsGal · 10/12/2020 07:13

I verge from thinking it will be no deal to thinking he will accept any deal on offer. DH voted to leave but now would vote to remain due to the complete ineptitude of the govt.
Think most people have put brexit on the back burner with the pandemic so I'm really not sure which way it will go.

A friend of mine who dabbles in conspiracy theories thinks it will be no deal, it will be a disaster and we'll beg the EU to take us back, accepting the Euro, Schengen etc. Conspiracy theory bring that it was all planned as there is no way in normal circs that the country would agree to adopting the Euro, ever closer union etc.

jasjas1973 · 10/12/2020 07:14

@Pippin2028 Unlike CV we know what we are walking into.

We are removing seamless trade from our biggest export & import markets... over night, not in years or even months.

raskolnikova · 10/12/2020 08:44

@jj90914

who is happy to screw his constituents over.

Where I’m from, the constituents are chomping at the bit to screw themselves over sadly.

Well yes, to be honest that is also the case here.

I feel like I care more about what happens to the other constituents and the farmers here, than they do about themselves, even though I'm not a farmer, I don't particularly like many of the constituents and I hate living here.

Hoppinggreen · 10/12/2020 08:47

If there is no deal it will of course be entirely down to The EU being unreasonable - they will be the “Crazy Ex”
Anyone not worried about No Deal doesn’t understand what it means.

AlexaShutUp · 10/12/2020 09:00

Anyone not worried about No Deal doesn’t understand what it means.

Exactly. It doesn't help people to understand though when the PM uses euphemistic phrases like "Australian terms". He is deliberately trying to obfuscate the truth.

Oreservoir · 10/12/2020 09:12

We had to travel to the UK yesterday, family reasons, very quiet ferry, mainly lorries.
For the first time ever we were asked to produce our dogs pet passport on arrival in the UK. As usual it had been checked thoroughly before leaving France.
We were asked how much alcohol we had, (about 12 bottles.)
And so it begins.
All these extra checks will take time.
Imagine border control in summer when, if, travel gets back to normal levels.
I can see me visiting the UK far less often now.

Peregrina · 10/12/2020 09:23

Well imagine what will happen when people find that they need to have a passport which has at least six months to expiry on it. They won't be able to say they weren't warned. I can see angry headlines in the Daily Mail about people being turned away.

NastyBlouse · 10/12/2020 09:28

My gut feeling is that there's already a deal, and that both sides are currently engaging in this ridiculous farce of a dance for the benefit of the cheap seats.

It doesn't serve anyone UK or EU to appear that a deal was done anything before the 11th hour.

I could be very, very wrong, however.

Songsofexperience · 10/12/2020 09:32

No deal was always the plan. Years of Tory Austerity to devalue all our assets so they could be sold off cheap to their Global capitalist mates in the smash and loot fest of No Deal.

Sounds like 90s Russia

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