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Westminstenders: Going, going, cummings

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RedToothBrush · 13/11/2020 18:36

As expected he's fucking off and leaving everyone else to pick up the pieces in January. But it does look like he was eventually shown the door and left with a cardboard box. As he should have been months ago.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Johnson needing an image change, like the shape shifting creep he is, to one that fits more with the incoming Biden Administration. In other words hes got some serious sucking up to do...

... Meanwhile in Brexit land we are going into yet another final week of talks.

Many expect Cummings departure to signal 'the cave in'. The Eu say we havent moved enough and the uk say the EU wants us to do all the moving... Except the EU have done lots of moving. Barnier is still looking for a groundsman to level his field to play. We have yet to work out we aren't Canada and distance is important to trade.

Of course if we don't get a deal, that Pfizer vaccine in Germany that we want, might be hit with delays and extra costs we just can't afford.

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Peregrina · 24/11/2020 08:44

I do wish that the BBC would go back to re-interview those it interviewed or photographed on the night of the referendum. e.g. go and find the woman who said she'd be angry if there wasn't more money for the NHS. Is she happy now with the state of the NHS? Or those people seen jumping for joy in Sunderland - are they pleased now? Or people in Kent - is the price of lorry parks what they wanted?

And don't say we haven't really left - the world was supposed to be beating a path to our door, so we should have seen some results now .

TonMoulin · 24/11/2020 09:03

@Violetparis

Where is the clarification that Nissan is closing ? I thought facts were important on this thread. Not everyone in Sunderland voted Leave, and those gloating on here and on social media that people in a deprived area may lose their jobs is not a good look.
@Violetparis, I live close to Nissan and know many people who are reliant on them (I used to work at one of their suppliers in the area). I have acquaintances, work collegues who are all potentially in the shit becase of that. So yes it feels scary and I can't say I am happy about it at all.

On the other side, the fact Nissan might close shop if people voted Brexit is also something that was widely discussed at the time and seen as a clear possibility. That is ALSO a reality.

Will I gloat 'Oh I was rigth then!!'? Nope. Because the one thing I am not going to do is to act like people who voted Brexit reacted when they won. The ones who were gloating around "We've won, you lost' and the 'Go back to your country' that were around me at the time (Unfortunately, yes, the same people who actually are now affected by a potential closure at Nissan...)
I am no going to inflict them the hurt they inflicted me when they told me and my dcs to go back home or that I was just 'jumping the queue' and I didn't belong here.

But heck, I have to say this is f* tempting when I was told to just get over it and now I am told to show the compassion I was never shown.

TonMoulin · 24/11/2020 09:07

@mathanxiety, I've noticed Clav avoided my answer when I asked why shoud Brits be allowed to jump the queue and have some special treatment compare to all the other thrid countries......

RedToothBrush · 24/11/2020 09:11

@Violetparis

Where is the clarification that Nissan is closing ? I thought facts were important on this thread. Not everyone in Sunderland voted Leave, and those gloating on here and on social media that people in a deprived area may lose their jobs is not a good look.
Monday, 23rd November 2020, 8:47 pm

www.sunderlandecho.com/business/nissan-dismisses-reports-it-set-close-its-sunderland-plant-3045230
Nissan dismisses reports it is set to close its Sunderland plant
Nissan has dismissed claims that it is to close its Sunderland plant with the loss of around 7,000 jobs.

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Violetparis · 24/11/2020 09:21

Tonmulin good post. I just feel sad that some people view others not in a human way but reduce them to how they voted whether that is remain/leave, labour/tory etc. I see people who I like on social praising Marcus Rashford in his attempts to reduce child poverty, then last night they were full of glee that a major employer in a poor part of the country might close. I hate the division Brexit has caused.

SabrinaThwaite · 24/11/2020 09:25

Whilst Nissan has announced that the new Qashqai model will be built in Sunderland, it’s also warned that a no deal will make the business unsustainable in the long term.

news.sky.com/story/nissan-ready-for-2030-electric-car-goal-but-repeats-brexit-warning-12135297

Peregrina · 24/11/2020 09:28

I think that Nissan is going to deny it's closing the plant until the decision is actually made, but I would be surprised if they aren't considering it.

Am I gloating No, but it's like warning someone that if they put their fingers in the fire they will get burnt. You don't say, I told you so when they get burnt, you try to sort the burns out.

TatianaBis · 24/11/2020 09:33

The problem is Brexit is not a humane ideology of itself.

As a movement it has been completely inhumane to anyone who wants to live or work in or with Europe, to anyone who is from Europe indeed anyone who is not white British. It has stoked vile xenophobia and racism and promoted arrogant and deluded nationalism. It has intentionally and explicitly stoked division and pitted people against each other.

While schadenfreude is not an edifying spectacle; it is understandable that those who have been afflicted by Brexit would like those who chose it to face the consequences of their actions.

Peregrina · 24/11/2020 09:35

I have just read an interesting post on one of my facebook threads - where it turns out that Leavers are bemoaning that this isn't the Brexit they voted for, and blame the Tory party.

Is it gloating to enjoy the infighting seen in the current Tory party?

ListeningQuietly · 24/11/2020 09:56

Brexit has brought out the worst of people
on all sides
and the wounds will take a long time to heal.

Those responsible MUST be held accountable for the rest of their lives
Farage
Cameron
May
Johnson

TheElementsOfMedical · 24/11/2020 09:59

@Violetparis

Tonmulin good post. I just feel sad that some people view others not in a human way but reduce them to how they voted whether that is remain/leave, labour/tory etc. I see people who I like on social praising Marcus Rashford in his attempts to reduce child poverty, then last night they were full of glee that a major employer in a poor part of the country might close. I hate the division Brexit has caused.
Agreed Sad
Peregrina · 24/11/2020 10:10

I would add a few more to the must be held accountable list - Gove, Rees-Mogg for starters. Cummings also, but since he's not an MP who exactly would he be accountable to?

DGRossetti · 24/11/2020 11:01

Meanwhile, Boris best mate, ol' Charlie Elphicke continues to make me wonder what the hell he has on the elite that they are willing to write to a senior judge to lick the Elphicke arse ?

www.theguardian.com/law/2020/nov/23/tory-mps-rebuked-over-letter-to-judge-in-charlie-elphicke-references-case

6 Tory MPs writing to a judge seeking to influence justice.

All perfectly normal in our new post-Brexit Britain. Levels of corruption that only 10 years ago would have been described as "Continental" ...

DGRossetti · 24/11/2020 11:25

I wonder how this would go over in the Corona forum ?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/23/no-deal-brexit-to-cost-more-than-covid-bank-of-england-governor-says

The governor of the Bank of England, Andrew Bailey, has warned that the economic cost of a no-deal Brexit would be bigger in the long term than the damage caused by Covid-19.

(contd)

DGRossetti · 24/11/2020 11:26

And (totally OT) maybe it is the end of days ?

edition.cnn.com/style/article/utah-monolith-art-trnd/index.html

Utah helicopter crew discovers mysterious metal monolith deep in the desert

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ListeningQuietly · 24/11/2020 11:44

DGR
Many years ago an office water cooler was set up in Joshua Tree National park and the Scripps La Jolla post doc pranksters went and refilled it for weeks till they were caught.
I suspect the Utah monolith is similar

TonMoulin · 24/11/2020 11:47

I actually think that a lot of the rifts brexit created have lessen in the last year or so.
I feel that I can see around me what some polls say - that actually people in general are much more laid back about the EU and are seen it as a positive. The ‘go back home’ is nowhere near as common for example (or the immediate question of where I am coming from that was constant just after the referendum).
I see the family disagreements calming down too.

BUT, I think it will take a very long time for brexiters to get over the fact they didn’t get the brexit they wanted (even though, imo it was imaginary). The thread below about why so many people in US voted for Trump rang true for brexit too. It’s all about narratives. And how stories are valued over truth and facts. There is a question to ask on how we, as a democracy, will tackle this post truth area and keep democracy alive.

Thread here twitter.com/jasminmuj/status/1330686328686612481?s=21

DGRossetti · 24/11/2020 11:48

@ListeningQuietly

DGR Many years ago an office water cooler was set up in Joshua Tree National park and the Scripps La Jolla post doc pranksters went and refilled it for weeks till they were caught. I suspect the Utah monolith is similar
Quite a lot of effort for a prank (which I salute).

Although it's nowhere near as involved as the prank of the millennium, which is where a bunch of posh boys took over a country and managed to dupe millions of people in to believing they actually gave a shit about them. They've not been caught yet.

ListeningQuietly · 24/11/2020 11:51

the Joshua Tree one - it was a lot of effort but the team member to whom I am related is like that Wink

The Posh boys have been doing that for ever
its just that in the latter part of the last Century we thought the populace had woken up

DGRossetti · 24/11/2020 11:56

I actually think that a lot of the rifts brexit created have lessen in the last year or so.

Well quite a few Brexiteers are dead. So it's kinda not really a surprise.

Remember we only achieve change because old men people die. It's that grim and simple.

DGRossetti · 24/11/2020 11:58

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/festival-brexit-set-29m-weeks-23054376

Britain’s ‘Festival of Brexit’ is set to get £29million in this Wednesday’s spending review.

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baroqueandblue · 24/11/2020 12:06

@DGRossetti

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/festival-brexit-set-29m-weeks-23054376

Britain’s ‘Festival of Brexit’ is set to get £29million in this Wednesday’s spending review.

(contd)

oh ffs 🙄
FatCatThinCat · 24/11/2020 12:19

I actually think that a lot of the rifts brexit created have lessen in the last year or so. [...] I see the family disagreements calming down too.

Not me. I'm done. Those family ties are permanently severed.

ListeningQuietly · 24/11/2020 12:20

Dear magic Grandpa
just fuck off and take your acolytes with you
you are damaging the life chances of the people you purport to support
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55057680
ANYTHING
that pushes Government incompetence of the front pages
has no place in the Opposition party

TonMoulin · 24/11/2020 12:41

@FatCatThinCat

I actually think that a lot of the rifts brexit created have lessen in the last year or so. [...] I see the family disagreements calming down too.

Not me. I'm done. Those family ties are permanently severed.

:(:(
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