Westminstenders: Going, going, cummings

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As expected he's fucking off and leaving everyone else to pick up the pieces in January. But it does look like he was eventually shown the door and left with a cardboard box. As he should have been months ago.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Johnson needing an image change, like the shape shifting creep he is, to one that fits more with the incoming Biden Administration. In other words hes got some serious sucking up to do...

... Meanwhile in Brexit land we are going into yet another final week of talks.

Many expect Cummings departure to signal 'the cave in'. The Eu say we havent moved enough and the uk say the EU wants us to do all the moving... Except the EU have done lots of moving. Barnier is still looking for a groundsman to level his field to play. We have yet to work out we aren't Canada and distance is important to trade.

Of course if we don't get a deal, that Pfizer vaccine in Germany that we want, might be hit with delays and extra costs we just can't afford.

the failure to secure a threshold for the vote was also the Lords’ fault as they could have secured one as amendment

At the time this was discussed the govt line was that it was unnecessary because the vote was to be advisory.

Re the 'enabling' of the election - corbyn got a huge amount of stick because he delayed it as long as he did - he ran out of excuses

Everything in this clusterfuck is down to Cameron, for having the vote, for a half hearted campaign, for saying the result would be implemented and for not handling the result as indecisive. May's triggering of article 50 without having any clear plan was just the last nail.

Yes, that is it, we have to nail it completely as a Tory project. In the unlikely event that the country as a whole benefits, they can take the credit. And I don't mean sees a benefit in 50 year's time, when I and Rees-Mogg will be dead, but say within 10 years.

Yeah, Cameron was the person responsible.

Split the country in 1/2. And now the chasm is still too wide to cross

Corbyn is still the problem in the Labour Party - labour was ahead in the polls over several polls ..... they were ahead of the conservatives. Then Corbyn starts his nonsense- can't except a ruling of an independent court, then his cronies short circuit the recommendations in said report to reinstate him, and labour looses its lead.

But yes it's Starmers fault - and nothing to do with Corbyn and his cronies...... right.....

It's the same delusion that handed the Tories there win.

tories just luuuurve the sight and sound of Corbyn.

I don't think he is going anywhere - he has an ego the size of an ocean, and sees himself as the salve to be applied to the PLP. He isn't interested in govt, just sectional multi-issue protest.

The depressing thing is the lack of consequences for this administration. Johnson was elected to get a deal and yet we are set for the crash-out scenario. He won't suffer from a lack of cash, lost job prospects or supermarket shelf gaps. He just gets to shrug his shoulders and waltz into the speaking circuit.

Why are there more penalties for crashing a car than a country?

Yy to both points:

we have to nail this as entirely a Tory project

why are there more penalties for crashing a car than a country?

Brexit is TORY
its that simple

Corbyn is a distraction - egged on by the Tories to keep their shit out of the news coverage

The only way forward will be HoC electoral reform to the sort of PR which seems to work OK in Wales, Scotland and London
as well as much of the rest of the world

but the upheaval that has to come first will be unpleasant

I can't see PR happening unless Johnson and cronies manage to destroy the Tories. Then suddenly, they will be all in favour.

as I say, the upheaval that will come before PR will not be fun

Brexit is TORY
its that simple

Brexit and in particular the flavour we are getting is ONE TYPE of Tory.
Yes BJ has made a hge ourge a year ago or so and it might feel like they are all wanting a hard brexit blablabla.
I dont think that most people who are Tories actually are behind that flavour of Brexit.

Yy to Brexit being a Tory/right wing project and also to not forgetting the pivotal role of Cameron and the consequences of his lack of planning and cowardice. Of course he will be able to weather the storm, but he’s condemned an awful lot of others. I do think history will judge h for it,

This is poignant. A timely reminder of what is at stake for Northern Ireland.

#OnThisDay 1973: Luke Casey took a poignant snapshot of Belfast at the height of the Troubles, a city the reporter had never previously visited. t.co/zU0y0hYNwq

twitter.com/BBCArchive/status/1330096116315152389?s=19

TheMShip
I just watched that video
ferkin' 'ell
we forget how far we have come

I wonder what would have happened if Corbyn/Labour and others hadn't let the election happen when they did? How long they could have held off? What the consequences would have been?

I voted Labour despite major reservations because just not voting Tory was never enough. Couldn't vote LibDem as Jo Swinson basically told me to fuck off as a gc woman (nice one Jo! That worked well!) and there was no other candidate anyway.

[quote TheMShip]This is poignant. A timely reminder of what is at stake for Northern Ireland.

#OnThisDay 1973: Luke Casey took a poignant snapshot of Belfast at the height of the Troubles, a city the reporter had never previously visited. t.co/zU0y0hYNwq

twitter.com/BBCArchive/status/1330096116315152389?s=19[/quote]
Meanwhile my adopted city holds 100-car convoy for events 46 years ago

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-55027808

The GFA was before my time in the UK, scenes like that are shocking to a complete outsider. I find it hard to comprehend that it went on so long.

The Troubles were horrific.
I was in London then and would not want to go back to that level of bombing risk.
And yes, the Birmingham pub bombs should NEVER be forgotten.

The lying scum Tories at the top of Government HAVE to be held responsible

@TheMShip

The GFA was before my time in the UK, scenes like that are shocking to a complete outsider. I find it hard to comprehend that it went on so long.

When I started history O level (1980) we had a discussion in class about what was history and what wasn't. We pretty much agreed that we would not see:

1. The end of the cold war/fall of Berlin wall (nuclear holocaust being much more likely)

2. Peace in Northern Ireland

3. An end to apartheid.

I reckon we felt we'd already won the "era defining lottery" with a female PM.

Bearing in mind my first English teacher (who retired in 1979) had served as a conscript and saw the liberation of Paris with some fond, if not politically correct (or indeed age appropriate) memories of the favours of the grateful ladies.

And another example of Tory corruption .....

The housing targets set for local authorities
which will hand huge profits to the big housebuilding companies
are based on 2014 population projections
pre Brexit pre trump pre demographic adjustments
rather than the updated 2018 ONS data set
which would result in much less housing needed
www.theguardian.com/society/2020/nov/22/tories-call-for-inquiry-into-bad-data-to-justify-rural-housebuilding

The Troubles were horrific. I was in London then and would not want to go back to that level of bombing risk. And yes, the Birmingham pub bombs should NEVER be forgotten.

No, the Birmingham bombings should not be forgotten. It should equally not be forgotten that the police tortured 6 innocent men into making a confession and, despite overwhelming evidence, the British justice system took 16 years to release them. A massive injustice to the Birmingham 6, but equally a massive injustice to the victims of the bombings and their families.

Ochon
The way the Birmingham 6 were framed
makes it even more important that what went on is not forgotten.
They and the Guildford 4
and the complicity of some of the Loyalist groups

it is all still VERY VERY Raw
and only idiots of psychopaths would want to reverse what was achieved with the GFA

The way the Birmingham 6 were framed makes it even more important that what went on is not forgotten. They and the Guildford 4

If Priti Patel had her way, they'd have been hanged. At which point any search for the truth dies with them. After all, why on earth would you waste a second on people that were "proved" guilty and hanged ? In fact one of the few things the UK did that did outwit the IRA was to avoid a hasty return to the death penalty, which would have advanced the Republican cause 1000 fold.

Even if your morals and ethics are quite relaxed about the horror surrounding the inevitable execution of innocent people (mainly men), you still have to admit that hanging the wrong person makes it much easier for the real villains to carry on their work. Which is problematic if the villians are terrorists who are quite happy to see you hang as many innocent people as possible.

And another example of Tory corruption...The housing targets set for local authorities which will hand huge profits to the big housebuilding companies are based on 2014 population projections
rather than the updated 2018 ONS data set

From the link;
“The very high figures for Coventry have led that authority and neighbouring Warwickshire authorities to over-allocate land for housing in their local plans. This has resulted in major incursions into the countryside, both in Coventry itself and in those parts of Warwickshire immediately surrounding it."

But why did Labour controlled Coventry City Council insist on using the same data as the corrupt Tories?

A spokesperson for the Council said;
"The most recent national population projections issued by government in May 2018 however continue to show strong population growth for Coventry and the surrounding area."

"Our Local Plan responds to this continued growth of the city as well as government's target of 300,000 new homes to be built nationally each year." ...

The Council "said it is aware of the information referenced by the petition, but added that it was important to highlight a disclaimer contained within the ONS publication"...

www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-green-belt-keresley-coundon-16194256

Nice try Clavinova - dredging up something from April 2019 to try to prove a point against Labour, or be as usual slavishly pro Tory. Without myself knowing the details of Coventry's local government arrangements, I do know that the planning process can be quite slow (hence the Tory desire to speed it up for their friends.) So there is a good chance that Coventry was acting on the latest information when they drew up their plan.

What the clowns in Westminster don't seem to have realised is that many of the areas they want to build on have been Tory since the year dot, and of course are going to object, with nimbyism being alive and well in such areas.