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Westminstenders: Going, going, cummings

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RedToothBrush · 13/11/2020 18:36

As expected he's fucking off and leaving everyone else to pick up the pieces in January. But it does look like he was eventually shown the door and left with a cardboard box. As he should have been months ago.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Johnson needing an image change, like the shape shifting creep he is, to one that fits more with the incoming Biden Administration. In other words hes got some serious sucking up to do...

... Meanwhile in Brexit land we are going into yet another final week of talks.

Many expect Cummings departure to signal 'the cave in'. The Eu say we havent moved enough and the uk say the EU wants us to do all the moving... Except the EU have done lots of moving. Barnier is still looking for a groundsman to level his field to play. We have yet to work out we aren't Canada and distance is important to trade.

Of course if we don't get a deal, that Pfizer vaccine in Germany that we want, might be hit with delays and extra costs we just can't afford.

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pussycatinboots · 22/11/2020 20:22

and only idiots of psychopaths would want to reverse what was achieved with the GFA

and now we have Boris.

Peregrina · 22/11/2020 20:27

Gove most definitely would like to reverse the GFA. I don't know about Johnson, it's probably too difficult an issue for him to bother to think about.

Clavinova · 22/11/2020 20:29

Peregrina
Without myself knowing the details of Coventry's local government arrangements

40 Labour councillors and 13 Conservative councillors.

Clavinova · 22/11/2020 20:41

dredging up something from April 2019 to try to prove a point against Labour

Something more up to date, July 2020;

"Petition aims to block plans for homes on green belt land in Coventry."

"The petition has been jointly launched by Coventry Conservative leader [leader of the 13 Conservative councillors] Cllr Gary Ridley, and West Midlands Mayor Andy Street (Conservative), who argue a policy to build on brownfield sites should be introduced."

"Mr Street - who earlier this year made a ‘Green Belt Pledge’ and wrote to Coventry City Council outlining his concerns - says Coventry's Local Plan is based on inaccurate numbers which predict massive population growth in Coventry of 31 per cent by 2031."

"Cllr George Duggins, Labour leader of Coventry City Council," "disagrees that the Local Plan is based on flawed population estimates and said there is already a ‘clear mechanism built in for review’. ...

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/petition-aims-block-plans-homes-18592601

TatianaBis · 22/11/2020 20:57

At the time this was discussed the govt line was that it was unnecessary because the vote was to be advisory.

Mhmm...

Peregrina · 22/11/2020 21:00

Trust Clavinova to jump in to state the make up of the council - unless she lives there, no doubt from a position of complete ignorance.

I was myself thinking of the time the planning process takes to go through. A plan can grind through the process, get signed off as being 'sound', but then a new council gets in with different priorities, yet they are still stuck with the old.

Peregrina · 22/11/2020 21:01

But still, good to see that it's Tory councillors getting arsy - I bet Jenrick didn't think about that, and Johnson won't know where Coventry is.

TatianaBis · 22/11/2020 21:04

I will always squarely blame the Tories for Brexit.

But the fact is that whole bloody government including the Lords passed all the relevant bills. And they need to own that. Particularly the Lexit enablers who became the Tories’ yes men.

ListeningQuietly · 22/11/2020 21:12

Clav
Do yourself a favour
don't squirrel local government in my vicinity
you'll come out looking dumb

Clavinova · 22/11/2020 21:18

ListeningQuietly

Is that a threat? Grin

LouiseCollins28 · 22/11/2020 21:20

Wow, pretty busy on here tonight. Those plans for “housing growth” in big cities might look like they rather missed the mark in 10 or 20 years time. 31% population growth in Coventry in the next 11 years, well let’s see.

ListeningQuietly · 22/11/2020 21:34

Promise Wink

Louise
My point exactly
future decision making based on known out of date information
WILL fail

LouiseCollins28 · 22/11/2020 22:02

Largely agree Listening of course these big decisions are frequently based on ‘old’ data because the cost of getting new is prohibitively high. The Census happening every 10 years is a good example, probably still being used now even thought it is way out of data and certainly for the area I live in, demographic change in 10 years will have rendered it wildly unrepresentative, probably similar in Coventry I should think, though I don’t know the place well.

I do think there’s a balance, data that’s “good enough” should be used rather than waiting for perfection and not deciding anything but using older data than you actually have available is simply bad practice IMO.

ListeningQuietly · 22/11/2020 22:07

louise
but the 2018 ONS data set is there
it just does not give the message Persimmon want
THAT is corruption

DrBlackbird · 22/11/2020 23:08

The housing targets set for local authorities

Like HS2... both 'make work' projects because this is the best that Johnson's Tories can come up with at the behest of their favourite donors. Unless it's 30% social housing and pigs are flying I suspect as the economy feels the twin effects of Covid and [no deal] Brexit, an actual market for the completed homes will be slow to materialise.

DrBlackbird · 22/11/2020 23:16

Ok so we're not talking medical personnel shortages here, but I'm sad to think of British kids not being able to have the fun of being a chalet girl/boy for a season...

From 1 January, post-Brexit, British employees seeking seasonal work as chalet hosts, instructors, drivers and nannies in European ski resorts will find it more difficult to obtain work

FrankieStein402 · 23/11/2020 01:10

At the time this was discussed the govt line was that it was unnecessary because the vote was to be advisory.

Mhmm...

Old hat but the briefing note (7212) for the referendum bill 2nd reading stated:
"This Bill requires a referendum to be held on the question of the UK’s
continued membership of the European Union (EU) before the end of
2017. It does not contain any requirement for the UK Government to
implement the results of the referendum, nor set a time limit by which a
vote to leave the EU should be implemented. Instead, this is a type of
referendum known as pre-legislative or consultative, which enables the
electorate to voice an opinion which then influences the Government in
its policy decisions."

TatianaBis · 23/11/2020 09:01

@DrBlackbird

Ok so we're not talking medical personnel shortages here, but I'm sad to think of British kids not being able to have the fun of being a chalet girl/boy for a season...

From 1 January, post-Brexit, British employees seeking seasonal work as chalet hosts, instructors, drivers and nannies in European ski resorts will find it more difficult to obtain work

Well you know what Brexiter responses would be to that.

In the words of Ricky Gervais’s mum:

“What d’you want to go abroad for there bits of Reading you haven’t been”.

borntobequiet · 23/11/2020 09:32

At last, something to cheer us up
www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/government-launches-vaccine-advent-calendar-20201123202823

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 23/11/2020 10:09

According to the OED, use of the term Brexit has dropped by 80% in 2020.

Amol Rajan (BBC Media Editor) commented that this indicates the limited bandwidth of news media and human attention.

Article here: BBC News - OED Word of the Year expanded for 'unprecedented' 2020
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55016543

PawFives · 23/11/2020 10:13

@FrankieStein402 I didn’t realise that not implementing the referendum result was down in black and white as clearly as that. So why did no one have the balls to raise this after the referendum? Especially as it was so close.

Chersfrozenface · 23/11/2020 10:27

[quote PawFives]@FrankieStein402 I didn’t realise that not implementing the referendum result was down in black and white as clearly as that. So why did no one have the balls to raise this after the referendum? Especially as it was so close.[/quote]
Well, some people did.

But they were shouted down / drowned out by media whose owners wanted Brexit.

And they were ignored by politicians who wanted Brexit (a lot of Tories and the Lexiters) and by politicians scared of losing votes among that part of the electorate who wanted Brexit.

DGRossetti · 23/11/2020 10:27

@DrBlackbird

Ok so we're not talking medical personnel shortages here, but I'm sad to think of British kids not being able to have the fun of being a chalet girl/boy for a season...

From 1 January, post-Brexit, British employees seeking seasonal work as chalet hosts, instructors, drivers and nannies in European ski resorts will find it more difficult to obtain work

Not all British employees. Dual EU citizens will have no problem. Which is most certainly not going to be reported. At least not anywhere it matters.
FrankieStein402 · 23/11/2020 10:29

So why did no one have the balls to raise this after the referendum? Especially as it was so close.

Because during the campaign Cameron committed to the implementation of the result - effectively changing the meaning of the referendum without a vote.

prettybird · 23/11/2020 10:37

Alex Salmond tried to put in some safeguards as the Referendum Bill was going through, in particular as you would expect Wink that each of the constituent nations would need to vote in favour of leaving, but Parliament was assured that it was unnecessary as the Referendum was only advisory and accordingly voted the amendment down Hmm