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Westminstenders: Going, going, cummings

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RedToothBrush · 13/11/2020 18:36

As expected he's fucking off and leaving everyone else to pick up the pieces in January. But it does look like he was eventually shown the door and left with a cardboard box. As he should have been months ago.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Johnson needing an image change, like the shape shifting creep he is, to one that fits more with the incoming Biden Administration. In other words hes got some serious sucking up to do...

... Meanwhile in Brexit land we are going into yet another final week of talks.

Many expect Cummings departure to signal 'the cave in'. The Eu say we havent moved enough and the uk say the EU wants us to do all the moving... Except the EU have done lots of moving. Barnier is still looking for a groundsman to level his field to play. We have yet to work out we aren't Canada and distance is important to trade.

Of course if we don't get a deal, that Pfizer vaccine in Germany that we want, might be hit with delays and extra costs we just can't afford.

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tobee · 21/11/2020 21:48

"So agrees Obama apparently." was in response to TheEmoji

Pepperwort · 21/11/2020 21:48

Last sentence wasn’t aimed at you btw. I have a gift for saying - or writing - the wrong things and realising a bit too late.

Clavinova · 21/11/2020 21:51

This story is giving me the rage tonight: I struggle to understand why firms like this weren't allowed to tender to supply PPE earlier this year

Presumably because their usual production of uniforms - 10,000 per month (for "hospitality, premium beauty, hotel, spa and leisure") was too small in volume for a government contract - neither did they have the appropriate certification for PPE at the time - although the company did achieve Home Office approval and certification in June to supply PPE to local hospital trusts including Alder Hey.

DGRossetti · 21/11/2020 21:55

The one allowance for PPE being tendered to preferred (chumocracy) businesses might be that it was the quickest way in the circumstances. Much like paying a premium for a plumber on a bank holiday (as per JRM).

The problem is we paid top dollar for the plumbers mates best friends kids dog to have a look, without the parts on the van and leaving a turn in the sink.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 21/11/2020 22:11

But that’s my point, most of the country can be thick. Labour hasn’t been in power for 10 years (?) it needs to use every trick in the book to catch voters including charm.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 21/11/2020 22:12

I wish David Lammy could be leader...

tobee · 21/11/2020 22:27

I know you shouldn't dis someone for one mistake but I find it hard to forget the comment Lammy made about the election of the pope.

prettybird · 21/11/2020 22:39

John Smith wasn't particularly charismatic Confused but if he'd lived, I believe he'd have been able to persuade Middle England to vote Labour just through his ordinary reasonableness and wouldn't have had to sell Labour's soul in order to win a GE.

I might never have converted to supporting to the need for Scottish IndependenceWink

Zixxy · 21/11/2020 22:56

If like me, you don't live in UK you would be horrified at what is happening to that country. Honestly. The closer you are you don't really see it.

TatianaBis · 21/11/2020 23:28

Legal action over appt of Harding, Bingham and Coupe:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/21/boris-johnson-acted-illegally-over-jobs-for-top-anti-covid-staff

tobee · 21/11/2020 23:44

@Zixxy

If like me, you don't live in UK you would be horrified at what is happening to that country. Honestly. The closer you are you don't really see it.

Really?

mrslaughan · 22/11/2020 08:15

Your kidding yourself if you think this country would elect a Black PM - sorry, but I just do see it happening anytime soon.

And that's from the Stan point of having a huge amount of respect for David Lammy.

KonTikki · 22/11/2020 08:18

I haven't voted Tory since Thatcher's 2nd term.
But the problem is that over the last 2 or 3 elections there has been no coherent opposition at all.
I voted Lib Dem in a vain attempt to unseat my local Tory MP. But I had no wish to vote them into Government.
The Labour party has failed the country every bit as much as the Tories.
That's a lot of pressure on Starmer.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 22/11/2020 08:34

I don’t think for one minute the country would elect him. But he would be my ideal leader.

And yes the Labour Party have failed the country as much as the Tories. Do what extent did the opposition enable Brexit would be a good GCSE exam question in 50 years.

Peregrina · 22/11/2020 08:34

The problem as I see it with Jolyon Maugham's legal actions, is that even if the Govt/Johnson is found guilty, as we have seen in the last few days with Patel, their attitude is 'so what?' Furthermore, who will pay compensation? Yes, it will be us, the taxpayers.

Just imagine the screaming which would have gone on if any Labour Govt had done half of what they had done.

On a more interesting note, yesterday's Guardian had a good article about how an outbreak of a deadly disease should be tackled.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 22/11/2020 08:45

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

But that’s my point, most of the country can be thick. Labour hasn’t been in power for 10 years (?) it needs to use every trick in the book to catch voters including charm.
If only Labour had a sensible politician as leader, someone like Starmer we'd be 20 points ahead in the polls......oh wait Grin
Pepperwort · 22/11/2020 09:03

John Smith is the big might have been isn’t he.

I do not believe in pandering to and encouraging ignorance and stupidity, ie charisma. Not now, not ever. This is why we need sensible discussions exploring all sides of issues, and yes we were seriously let down by Brexit campaigns. Don’t forget bloody Cameron was at least equally to blame, it was his play. There has always been a left-wing argument against globalisation and therefore pro-Brexit, but it would have been good to have the reasons for that out and clearly demonstrated that now was not the time. Then you get the fiasco they’ve made of it on top. Why Corbyn has the reputation of being a campaigner not an administrator and Johnson hasn’t is beyond me.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 22/11/2020 09:10

I don't think Starmer is helped by having Corbyn lurking in the background with his youth wing of 1984 reenactors. So busying tearing themselves apart over ever tightening purity spirals they haven't noticed that noone else gives a single fuck and will go on with their day. Honestly it would be better for the labour party to split and spend the next 4 years rebuilding in to a centrist party and a separate far left authoritarian wing.

Peregrina · 22/11/2020 09:17

Except that 40 years ago the Labour party did split into the SDP wing and the rest, and a fat lot of good it did. What is really needed is for all the Opposition to sink their differences temporarily to say that their priority must be to get Johnson's Tories out.

jasjas1973 · 22/11/2020 09:26

And yes the Labour Party have failed the country as much as the Tories. Do what extent did the opposition enable Brexit would be a good GCSE exam question in 50 years

Brexit was a democratic decision, under the rules set down by a democratically elected govt.
Once leave won that vote Brexit had to happen and T.May made it very clear from the very beginning, the UK would not join EFTA/EAA or have another vote.....

imho Labour did no "enable" brexit at all, the tories did it all on their own, from not setting down a min % for a yes vote, the 15 year rule, not allowing 16 & 17yo's to vote ..... to allowing a fucking vote in the first place!

I do not agree with shifting the blame for a Tory policy and its outcomes onto the opposition.

Peregrina · 22/11/2020 09:40

I would agree with jasjas here, and I am by no means a Labour supporter.

Where both they and the LibDems and I suppose the SNP went wrong was enabling last year's General Election. It worked out fine for the SNP, but not the other two. I would have let Johnson sweat it out with his minority Government.

TatianaBis · 22/11/2020 09:46

Broadly I agree with Jas, however the failure to secure a threshold for the vote was also the Lords’ fault as they could have secured one as amendment. The whole government fucked up there, not just the Tories.

Peregrina · 22/11/2020 09:54

But for me, Johnson's real mandate came last December with his 80 seat majority. He blathered about an Oven Ready Deal, and sufficient numbers of the electorate said 'Righto, that'll do.'

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 22/11/2020 10:05

Yesssss enabling the election was what went wrong!!!

PawFives · 22/11/2020 10:06

Totally agree @Peregrina enabling the last election was a mistake and I think could be seen as one of those historical turning points. I get why the SNP wanted it, and as you say it worked for them - but not Labour and the Lib Dems. A lot has hinged on it, for good or bad. Would Corbyn have gone otherwise? Would the government have had the leeway for their chumocracy?