Westminstenders: The Tunnel or Bridge

[RedToothBrush]

Apparently negotiations are in the black hole of the EU tunnel or should that be on the back of the fantasy of the Boris Bridge?

Another week closer to complete meltdown.

I'm guessing that our world beating customs solution will be based on blackboard and chalk.

@DGRossetti

Contact-tracing data harvested from pubs and restaurants being sold on

Well, not mine as I never downloaded the app as (a) I knew it wouldn't work, and (b) that details were going to be sold whatever anyone said.

Another win for the efficiency of cynicism.

It’s not the app DGR, it’s the files with names, contact details etc... that restaurants have to keep for 21 days. Those companies have changed the privacy rules and say that they will keep them for longer and/or those details might be sold to third parties. All in the small print again but if you want to go and eat at that restaurant you have no choice (or you can use the app instead IF they don’t ask you to book ahead anyway and get the details that way)

Misti I’ve never understood why people thought we would all develop immunity to this virus when our immunity to the common corona virus never last...
The comparaison with the flu haven’t helped imo.

It’s not the app DGR, it’s the files with names, contact details etc... that restaurants have to keep for 21 days. Those companies have changed the privacy rules and say that they will keep them for longer and/or those details might be sold to third parties. All in the small print again but if you want to go and eat at that restaurant you have no choice (or you can use the app instead IF they don’t ask you to book ahead anyway and get the details that way)

Makes no difference to me if it was the app, the files, or the pixies as the bottom of my garden. I knew UK contact tracing/T&T/whatever you call it was going to be a monumental balls up even before I'd heard a single detail.

You know how you don't need to look at a hammer that you've let drop to see if it's hit the ground ? Assuming anything this shower of incompetent tossers does is going to be a fuckup of awesome proportions is the same use of science.

@Meuniere

Misti I’ve never understood why people thought we would all develop immunity to this virus when our immunity to the common corona virus never last... The comparaison with the flu haven’t helped imo.

It's because the virus that caused the SARS outbreak in 2003 did induce long term immune response. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2851497/

Among 176 patients who had had severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), SARS-specific antibodies were maintained for an average of 2 years, and significant reduction of immunoglobulin G–positive percentage and titers occurred in the third year. Thus, SARS patients might be susceptible to reinfection >3 years after initial exposure.

It's because the virus that caused the SARS outbreak in 2003 did induce long term immune response

Luckily Covid wasn't novel, or we'd have been in real trouble.

Can someone get behind the pay wall and summarise for us?
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/10/11/150bn-uk-assets-moved-france-ahead-brexit/

[quote ICouldHaveCheckedFirst]Can someone get behind the pay wall and summarise for us?
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/10/11/150bn-uk-assets-moved-france-ahead-brexit/[/quote]
I would have thought the title alone did that ...

£150 billion in assets has moved out of the UK to France irrespective of any "deal" Boris may or may not come up with.

Presumably that's £150 billion less in pension pots. And not a great help to a Bank of England that has already been seen toting the negative interest rates shotgun.

Just a reminder that Boris's self imposed deadline for a deal is this Thursday.

[quote ICouldHaveCheckedFirst]Can someone get behind the pay wall and summarise for us?
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/10/11/150bn-uk-assets-moved-france-ahead-brexit/[/quote]
Have a look at this link

uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/firms-move-150bn-uk-assets-114115437.html?guccounter=1

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

pretty, shrill and DGR luckily we have a trailer and are fit. We found even the charities are getting picky about quality, and one would pick up only from the threshold only. Plus you need to book 2 weeks ahead in the first place. The council charged separately for the uplift service anyway, so they shot themselves in the foot there. £200 seems reasonable (!) given we were quoted £60 to remove just a double mattress (and there was a lot more than that). How do people manage who don't have our resources??

Indeed

It cost SIL iirc £70 to hire the van for 24 hours, which can be claimed back from the estate . Could have got it for a shorter period for less but took the opportunity to clear a load of stuff out our garage and SIL's place and to transport a shed to SIL's place (had tried unsuccessfully to fit one of the panels into either dh's or a friend's car).

...

Ooooooh just had a satisfaction survey from the council come through....
(Cracks knuckles....)

Thanks, Meuniere.
Extract:

It means that firms operating under the European passport must quickly finalise their relocation to the EU if they want to operate here as of next year.”

This month, EY said more than 7,500 jobs had been uprooted to the Continent since the Brexit referendum, with at least 24 financial services firms publicly recording more than £1.2 trillion of asset transfers.

Dublin, Luxembourg, Frankfurt and Paris were firms' favourite destinations for relocation, EY said.

Project Fear?

( "here" being France/EU)

It means that firms operating under the European passport must quickly finalise their relocation to the EU if they want to operate here as of next year.”

Ensuring they remain under the aegis of the ECJ (which is going to be a requirement of any UK based firms that want to access EU markets too, whatever bollocks Boris and the Boys try and spout).

Looks like Manchester Andy Burnham putting his foot down about being put in tier 3 of new measures PM asking labour to have a word with him lol! Liverpool in tier 3 closure of all pubs bars etc. No mixing in households blah blah.

Pity the good people of Merseyside and Warrington who are now utterly baffled.

Tier 3 is supposed to be 'don't leave or enter the area unless you have a good reason to do so'.

But in twist of fate Halton and Warrington NHS trust have designated Halton the hospital for all other business whilst Warrington is the 'covid' hospital.

So its a legitimate reason to leave Tier 3 Halton to go to the local covid hospital in neighbouring Tier 2 Warrington. And a legitimate reason to enter Tier 3 Halton if you are ill with a non-covid reason if you live in Tier 2 Warrington. Also if you are a Halton resident with covid, you will be included in the numbers for covid patients in Warrington hospital even though your case is registered to Halton.

Meanwhile poor Wirral has gone from bog standard Rule of Six to Tier 3 with less cases than Tier 2 Warrington.

And if you live in Warrington you currently can't visit friends in the backgarden. This restriction was brought in when the rate was about 100 in 100,000. Now its pushing 300 in 100,000 and from Wednesday when the Tier System is introduced the restriction about meeting 5 friends in your garden will be lifted.

Makes perfect sense.

No one knows or understands the criteria for either entering or exiting a Tier. It just seems like made up nonsense. Apart from having a Tory MP.

All of this is going to go down like a cup of cold sick in Liverpool, with the Echo already reporting earlier today that Tier 3 would be:
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/news-opinion/liverpool-lockdown-back-the-1980s-19089556
Sending Liverpool back to the 1980s is no way to manage this crisis

Anyone who thinks that the good people in Liverpool are going to willingly follow the rules under these circumstances is on glue. This is going to cause HUGE amounts of resentment.

How Warrington will stop border hoppers visiting the county for drinking sessions is questionable. And with restrictions being lifted for back gardens after weeks of not being able to visit people in gardens, people will go mad visiting each other. So chances are Warrington will end up in Tier 3 sooner rather than later either way.

I utterly despair over this government.

Interesting summary Red Honestly though, I kinda think people are just picking holes for the sake of it now. If people live in a high tier area forget rule of six, forget indoor/outdoors, just stop socially mixing, full stop. Can't really see what's complicated about that.

Our MP has just thanked Matt Hancock for the 45 minutes notice she had that Birmingham will be Tier 2.

DW and I are hunkered down and will stay so. Except for a trip to get her bloods done + flu jab on Friday, and weekly shop on Saturday.

Poor DS isn't having a great time, being in hospitality .

@LouiseCollins28

Interesting summary Red Honestly though, I kinda think people are just picking holes for the sake of it now. If people live in a high tier area forget rule of six, forget indoor/outdoors, just stop socially mixing, full stop. Can't really see what's complicated about that.

Wait until all the exceptions start ... horse racing (naturally). Opera. Grouse shooting. Ballet recitals ...

Not sure they shoot many grouse in Liverpool DGR?! Plenty of shooting I believe, but no grouse.

It won't be COVID restrictions sending Liverpool back to the 1980's The city has already been hammered by a decade of austerity and of course will lose the EU funding that regenerated the Merseyside area.

I wonder if our resident C&P expert considers the LA times a biased source ?

www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-10-12/english-villages-brexit-new-border

SEVINGTON, England — Four years after Britain voted to leave the European Union, Brexit can still seem abstract. But in the county known as the Garden of England, it is literally taking concrete form. Just beyond the ancient oaks and yews that surround medieval St. Mary’s Church in the village of Sevington, bulldozers, dump trucks and cement mixers swarm noisily over a field. They are chewing up land to create part of Britain’s new border with the European Union — a customs-clearance depot with room for up to 2,000 trucks.

No one asked local people for permission, and even in this Brexit-backing area, the disruption is straining support for Britain’s divorce from the EU.

“The first anyone knew about it was when a sign went up saying the footpaths had been closed,” said Sharon Swandale, whose home in the village of Mersham used to be a 20-minute walk from Sevington. Closure of the path for construction work means it’s now an almost four-mile drive.

This county, Kent, voted by 60% to 40% to leave the EU in Britain’s 2016 referendum, but Swandale said visions of truck stops and customs depots were not uppermost in their minds.

“That was never part of the actual selling and the marketing for Brexit,” she said.

(contd)

Still, it's the will of the people - and you can't stand in the way of that.

@LouiseCollins28

Interesting summary Red Honestly though, I kinda think people are just picking holes for the sake of it now. If people live in a high tier area forget rule of six, forget indoor/outdoors, just stop socially mixing, full stop. Can't really see what's complicated about that.

Well yes, but its like kid with the cookie jar.

The parents say you cant have the cookie. So the kid doesn't have it.

And when the parents says yes you can have one now whenever you like for a time limited period, the child eats all the cookies all at once before his brother gets in there and then gets banned immediately from having more.

I admit to having bugger all sympathy for the people of South East Kent.
They voted for Brexit.
They voted Tory in the General Election(s)
They vote austerity Tory in their local elections
They got what they told us they wanted
Oh wait