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RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 20:52

On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

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borntobequiet · 26/09/2020 19:32

Schools are terribly stressful places. They’re designed to be so, with constant targets and monitoring. Leadership is stressed, teachers are stressed, and the final stress is devolved on the kids. It’s appalling as an educational model, but it’s the one successive governments have developed.
When I started teaching, no counsellors existed in schools. By the time I retired, my school had two FT and one PT (if I remember correctly). Our best counsellor left when she was required to prove her effectiveness by showing improved learning outcomes.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/09/2020 19:49

School can be hell for an Aspie hermit

I always hated school, even though the grammar school didn't have the constant racial abuse of primary,
I hated being regimented and forced to be in a place I hated with people all around me, none of whom I would have chosen to be with

No part of my life has been anything like as stressful or unpleasant as my childhood, mainly because of school
The total lack of power over what happened to me
Adult life was occasionally shit, but at least I made my own decisions

BigChocFrenzy · 26/09/2020 19:51

and that was decades before Tory targets and league tables,
a time when teachers had far more freedom to teach what they wanted, in addition to the syllabus

BigChocFrenzy · 26/09/2020 19:56

Reporter lost International Women of Courage award for criticising Trump

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/sep/26/journalist-whose-award-was-rescinded-for-criticising-trump-owed-an-apology-senator-says

Aro was due to receive the award in March 2019.
Rescinding it, the state department insisted she had not been a finalist and blamed the confusion on a “regrettable error”.

But Foreign Policy magazine reportedd^ that Aro was punished “after US officials went through [her] social media posts and found she had also frequently criticized President Donald Trump”.

Menendez said the posts concerned “President Trump’s ‘fake news’ attacks on the media”.
In one tweet, Aro said Trump and Putin’s summit in Helsinki in July 2018 meant “Finnish people can protest them both. Sweet”.

On Friday, the state department Office of the Inspector General confirmedd^ criticism of Trump caused Aro to lose the award.

CNN quoted its report as saying:
“Every person interviewed in connection with this matter acknowledged that had [the Office of Global Women’s Issues] not highlighted her social media posts as problematic, Ms Aro would have received the IWOC award.”

BigChocFrenzy · 26/09/2020 20:02

At that London anti-lockdown rally:

David Icke, Piers Corbyn, Qanon

I have to sympatise with BJ calling them nutjobs - he's right about the above, anyway

RedToothBrush · 26/09/2020 20:27

Opinium @OpiniumResearch
#Labour takes the lead for the first time during Johnson's premiership #Labourlead.

See the full results here:
www.opinium.com/resource-center/voting-intention-23rd-september/

For a populist prime minister heading into no deal brexit in the middle of a pandemic... this isn't the best news.

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RedToothBrush · 26/09/2020 20:33

Chris Curtis @chriscurtis94
Last time Labour had a 3 point lead was July last year, but they were still only on 28%.

Last time Labour was on 42% was July 2018.

Just one poll, but it's at the end of a pretty dramatic looking chart.

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DrBlackbird · 26/09/2020 20:54

[quote GhostofFrankGrimes]www.thetimes.co.uk/article/arch-critics-of-bbc-dacre-and-moore-tipped-for-top-jobs-in-tv-lzn0lvxbs[/quote]
It is absolutely sickening what this government is doing to journalism in this country.

Paul Dacre, the former editor of the Daily Mail, as the prime minister’s choice to become chairman of Ofcom?!

Is there no end to the utter blatant cronyism? To spreading division and misinformation? To stacking the odds against the BBC? For what? For not being Pravda?

Odds on betting that after destroying the BBC, they'll find a way to go after The Guardian / Observer.

DrBlackbird · 26/09/2020 20:56

Thanks BigChoc about some insights into state aid.

I couldn't believe that it's the EU laws holding the UK govt entirely back from finding ways to invest yet it is the one reason invoked the most.

Since when the doe the government give a toss about business? other than to take donations

BigChocFrenzy · 26/09/2020 21:10

red I suspect the govt will revert to the trusted tactic of scapegoating some foreign enemy,
.... the EU, Remainers - cos they're all subversives - maybe if we're really unlucky picking a fight with a smaller country far away to copy Maggie's turnaround in fortunes

For people not around at the time:
My observations then were that Viet Nam had made the West terrified of wars, until the Falklands transformed MrsT from a one-term loser into the vanguard of rightwing conservatism in the West

Reagan soon copied her and was careful to choose a minnow ... and then successive US presidents found how being a war president was so good for their ratings,
as well as so good for handing plum jobs & contracts to party hacks
(It's even more lucrative during a pandemic)

Peregrina · 26/09/2020 21:15

David Icke, Piers Corbyn, Qanon
I have to sympatise with BJ calling them nutjobs - he's right about the above, anyway

I absolutely agree, but I won't be the only one who now feels a cold anger towards the Government. We have had enough. They could have made much better efforts to get on top of this, but chose not to. They wasted time at the beginning of the year with their stupid bongs for Brexit malarky, when they could have seen what was happening in Wuhan, and asked hospitals how well prepared they were to meet the crisis. They could have asked ventilator manufacturers like Penlon if they could ramp up production. They could have utilised existing local public health knowledge. But no, it's been public money given to firms led by cronies, who surprise surprise cannot deliver the goods. Then the nonsense with Cummings, who according to his wife's Spectator article was supposedly ill, but was driving the length of the country. Then 'Dido' Harding, and on and on.

The only small crumbs of comfort I can see are small things. E.g. - our Church was only able to open again last week, so instead we have been having zoom services. This, a little to our surprise, has reached out far beyond our own Church bringing new people in, as well as allowing elderly housebound members who had to stop attending in person to partake again.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/09/2020 21:28

Yes, I can understand protesting, but I would not keep company with people I consider much worse than BJ,
especially if they ever got into power (QAnon allegedly already are close to Trump's gang)

  • especially because these are the chaotic times that could enable it
Peregrina · 26/09/2020 21:37

I am saddened to read about the ecmwf losing out, having worked with people there, and visiting many times. One of the stupid, unlooked for consequences of Brexit. But then we have the claptrap from the Johnson/Cummings camp about world beating blah de blah......

DGRossetti · 26/09/2020 21:49

@Peregrina

I am saddened to read about the ecmwf losing out, having worked with people there, and visiting many times. One of the stupid, unlooked for consequences of Brexit. But then we have the claptrap from the Johnson/Cummings camp about world beating blah de blah......
Probably much easier to dismiss European climate change than British Climate change ...
BigChocFrenzy · 26/09/2020 21:50

EU citizens in UK could be shut out of vital services

After so many IT fuckups by successive governments, the latest being the App fiascos (finally fixed ?)
of course they need physical documentation too
They'll all be used to ID cards, so no problem carrying those

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/26/eu-citizens-uk-brexit-settled-status-jobs-banking-healthcare

“A lot can go wrong – technology outages, people unable to navigate the digital system and service providers unwilling to engage with it,”
says Maike Bohn, a co-founder of the support group the3million,
which is campaigning for a paper backup document while the digital system beds in.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/09/2020 23:25

The Sunday People:

"500,000 Long Covid sufferers" being let down by the government
Hopefully they are over-estimating by at least a factor of 10 - I've seen no evidence that the current number is anywhere near this magnitude

Mail on Sunday:

Chefs, charities and celebrities are urging PM to block sub-standard food from entering the UK under post-Brexit trade deals

Observer:
BJ facing revolt in Parliament who want the vote on any further Covid restrictions

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HoneysuckIejasmine · 26/09/2020 23:31

If I were Boris, I'd be getting very worried.

borntobequiet · 27/09/2020 05:43

If I were Boris’ puppet masters, I’d be getting worried too. I mean, who else have they got?
Gove, who everyone hates and despises?
I can’t actually think of anyone else who fully fits the description of a lying liar, prepared to do anything in their own self interest/the interest of Brexit. Oh sorry, yes I can. Patel and Braverman. But I don’t think either would cut it, as they only have to open their mouths to be seen to be deceitful and incompetent. Johnson’s genius was to be able to fool so many for so long into believing in him.

SunnyUplandsOhNoTurnipSoup · 27/09/2020 07:25

I agree Honeysuckle
Can't believe the Daily Fail has food safety on its front page....
You start to wonder if Johnson will last til Christmas but I agree Born his puppet masters are no doubt aiming for him to stay put until he has served his purpose. Ater January I can see Johnson running away being forced out/resigning.
I have always loathed disliked CHunt but he appears to be a towering statesman compared with the current lot. Who will this HoC intake of extreme Tory MP/ members want though? I'm terrified of Gove. Surely he is too loathsome even for them but I guess he would only need to appeal to the Tories to become leader/PM.

KonTikki · 27/09/2020 08:16

My choice was always Hunt over Johnson. If the Tories want a straight shoein after January they could do alot worse.

prettybird · 27/09/2020 08:24

It won't be C Hunt - who I agree looks positively reasonably nowadays Confused

It will be Tentacles Slapping Gove or possibly "I didn't realise how important the Short Straits were" Raab. Hmm

The one saving grace is that whoever takes over the Clusterfuck will have to be the one who is remembered by the history books as having presided over the break-up of the UK Grin

Peregrina · 27/09/2020 08:27

Hunt might not want to stand again. I bet he's thanking his lucky stars right now that he didn't get the job.

SunnyUplandsOhNoTurnipSoup · 27/09/2020 08:48

Tentacles Slapping Gove or possibly "I didn't realise how important the Short Straits were" Raab.
😂😂 If it only it wasn't really happening....

Chersfrozenface · 27/09/2020 09:20

Coronavirus rather than Brexit, but still evidence to suggest we are screwed.

The first Covid-19 contact tracing app, which was shelved, worked with more handsets than the one which has actually been rolled out.

A snippet from the story "The new app doesn't work with a variety of older phones, including iPhones made before 2015, and Android phones not running the Android 6.0 operating system or above.
It can also generate false readings of close contacts in a third of cases." And the earlier version was better at measuring distance.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54296410