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Westministender: Amen to that!

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RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 20:52

On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

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SabrinaThwaite · 25/09/2020 11:34

The real irony of having to do F2F sales is that it’s for solutions meaning that SMEs don’t have to travel. It’s not an industry that will change attitudes in the foreseeable either.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 11:37

@SabrinaThwaite

However, in your case, we are talking about the time period between testing at day 10 and isolating 14 days. With current turnaround, it amounts to much the same thing !

Um, no. Testing on day 7 with a 1 day turnaround to pick up 94% of cases by day 8. Even testing on day 5 with a 1 day turnaround picks up 88%.

... Public health would lobby to go for for day 10 and 98% ... and then you wait for test results

Depends if they get over-ruled

DGRossetti · 25/09/2020 11:37

@SabrinaThwaite

The real irony of having to do F2F sales is that it’s for solutions meaning that SMEs don’t have to travel. It’s not an industry that will change attitudes in the foreseeable either.
I imagine the horseshoe industry had a similar attitude in the 1900s.

Or the video rental market in the 90s ...

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 11:41

Some work genuinely needs f2f
and for a small minority of this, also needs travelling

Hence why so many govts are offering financial support to firms / workers who can't do all/some of their work atm,
but will do so after the crisis has passed, probably after spring

This has aroused fury, including on MN threads, but makes sense for the economy, the firms and the workers

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 11:43

I wouldn't expect the 14 day rule to be relaxed for airports until it is also relaxed for everyone else - all workers, students, pensioners etc

People won't follow isolation or 14 days when others get only 10 or whatever

ListeningQuietly · 25/09/2020 11:45

^Some work genuinely needs f2f
and for a small minority of this, also needs travelling^
Please replace those with LOTS

Healthcare, building, cleaning, maintenance, bin men, fresh food retail, gardening, beauty, delivery, post, childcare, animal care, horticulture
in fact the jobs that millions of non mumsnetters do

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 11:45

Most won't examine or care about reasons why there might be differences

They'd just regard it as unfair - after so many other unfair decisions - and it would further discourage compliance

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 11:47

@ListeningQuietly

^Some work genuinely needs f2f and for a small minority of this, also needs travelling^ Please replace those with LOTS

Healthcare, building, cleaning, maintenance, bin men, fresh food retail, gardening, beauty, delivery, post, childcare, animal care, horticulture
in fact the jobs that millions of non mumsnetters do

... For the small minority needing travelling, I meant specifically air travel since we had been discussing airports and that paper on testing for them

Only a v small % need to fly for work
and they are indeed among the MN mc

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 11:49

Very obviously a lot of jobs can't be done via phone or online
and those that are important enough to people have continued

those that are optional, or outright banned ....

ListeningQuietly · 25/09/2020 12:00

Oh I agree that business air travel will likely never rise above 10% of what it was before
and F2F international conferences will be supplemented with Zoom
but they will return
for the same reason that big research labs have breakout spaces to allow serendipity

The Crick for example is specifically designed to make different research teams bump into each other over coffee

International astronomy teams should still be flying out to telescopes etc

QuestionMarkNow · 25/09/2020 12:02

People who are flying for work are exempt from quarantine, no?.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 12:04

Brainstorming has to be f2f too
but may involve a lot of excited shouts and jumping about Wink
Hence being strictly limited by my former empyer (R&D)

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 12:05

@QuestionMarkNow

People who are flying for work are exempt from quarantine, no?.
.... Not afaik

Essential workers - doctors, Covid scientists etc - are exempt, but not normal business travel

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 12:07

DG: still doing well
FT: Italy’s harsh lessons help keep second wave at bay

www.ft.com/content/6831be3e-2711-4ea3-8f62-daa82cf9ca11

ListeningQuietly · 25/09/2020 12:11

People who are flying for work are exempt from quarantine, no?.
yes, those who have to fly regularly for work
eg oil rig inspectors
are fully exempt

QuestionMarkNow · 25/09/2020 12:13

Actuallly that’s wrong BCF (just checked the list)

That’s nothing to do with essential workers. But a long list of exemption depending on some jobs (eg border officials) location (off shore workers), how often you go abroad (more than once a week) etc...

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules

QuestionMarkNow · 25/09/2020 12:14

Xpost LQ

I had read that list a while ago but couldn’t remember all the details.

DGRossetti · 25/09/2020 12:15

People should reflect on the depth - and speed - of the social and economic changes bought about by the Black Death.

(They won't because history is boring).

Whole deserted villages. The end of feudalism. And the first sign that no matter what they decreed, Kings powers only went so far.

The fact we have adverse possession (still) is a direct result of those changes.

Of course they couldn't have known that at the time - even if they could have read about it, since it wasn't really recorded.

I wonder what our excuse will be ? Wrong font ?

DGRossetti · 25/09/2020 12:18

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Westministender: Amen to that!
DGRossetti · 25/09/2020 12:22

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-542872

Shoppers will feel the impact of a no-deal Brexit at supermarket tills, the British Retail Consortium has warned.

ListeningQuietly · 25/09/2020 12:31

Questionmark
A friend does the oil rig work.
He's very bored of flying and is working to put automated sensors on as many parts as possible Grin

TheABC · 25/09/2020 13:45

I am just here, munching popcorn.

Until it directly affects them, no-one who voted Team Tory will care what the Government does. As that is skewed towards affluent home-owners, we will need an Argentinian-style breakdown before they admit they are wrong.

I wonder what our excuse will be ? Wrong font ?

No need to wonder. They did not read the bloody thing in the first place.

DGRossetti · 25/09/2020 13:53

www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2020-09-25/brexit-bulletin-fear-of-no-deal-chaos-grows-in-eu-with-transition-ending

We’ve been close to no-deal upheaval before, with several 11th-hour stays of execution. But the Brexit transition period expires at year-end, and those moments may have passed. As Stefan Nicola and Christian Wienberg report this morning, many executives are losing hope that a deal is coming. They are clear that they can no longer bank on the U.K. after it said it would renege on part of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.

(contd)

DGRossetti · 25/09/2020 13:55

The Brexit Border game ...

www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-brexit-border-crossing/

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2020 14:25

@ListeningQuietly

People who are flying for work are exempt from quarantine, no?. yes, those who have to fly regularly for work eg oil rig inspectors are fully exempt
... those are what I class as essential

People going on sales trips, conferences etc are not

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