Westministender: Amen to that!

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On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

@Melassa

Quite a few anti Boris articles in the Italian press. He’s drawn the fire onto him by insinuating that Italians and Germans do not have a tradition of liberty.

How to win friends and influence people.

Not quite sure what bollocks Marco Longhi is spouting about giving up citizenship to "not be a soldier". But whatever it is it's a total and utter basket of cock. So we can safely discount anything he ever says in future.

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Let alone people in Kent then drop-shipping around the country

What about haulage companies already based in Kent that carry goods round the UK but don’t cross the channel? How will they get a permit to re-enter Kent to return to base?

@GhostofFrankGrimes

I think people are in for a shock if they think the Brexit fallout will be blamed entirley on the Tories and the electorate turn away from them.

We won't know until there are enough Brexiteers who find their balls and ovaries and stand up and say This isn't what we voted for !

Until then, the only tactic and strategy is to write under every news story: You voted for this. Eventually the dam will burst.

@SabrinaThwaite

Let alone people in Kent then drop-shipping around the country

What about haulage companies already based in Kent that carry goods round the UK but don’t cross the channel? How will they get a permit to re-enter Kent to return to base?

Bloody remoaners.

Not quite sure what bollocks Marco Longhi is spouting about giving up citizenship to "not be a soldier". But whatever it is it's a total and utter basket of cock.

Think he’s saying he gave up Italian citizenship to avoid doing military service?

@SabrinaThwaite

It is a nonsense because that paper was published 6 weeks ago and the Government is still insisting on 14 days quarantine despite testing on day 6, 7 or 8 picking up between 85% and 96% of cases.

There’s a similar paper from July pointing out the same thing.

..... Not a nonsense because then and now tests are often either not available, or take too long to get results, or indeed get lost

Going abroad on holiday was a choice
Going to work, going to school are necessities
and the priority should be on them

@SabrinaThwaite

Not quite sure what bollocks Marco Longhi is spouting about giving up citizenship to "not be a soldier". But whatever it is it's a total and utter basket of cock.

Think he’s saying he gave up Italian citizenship to avoid doing military service?

Ah, I see now. No wonder he's a Tory. He was OK living in Italy .... right up until the few seconds before he'd have to do national service as a citizen, which point, like a discarded condom he put his Italian citizenship to one side and sought asylum in the UK.

TL;DR bit of a cunt then. Still, he's found his people. I hope no one is too offended if I choose not to take lessons in behaviour from such a repellent person. It's probably passive-aggressive, but if I ever need to write his name in future (without "is a wanker" appended to it) then I'd write Mark Long and be done with it.

@ListeningQuietly - thank you x

I'm an Italian citizen and wasn't required to do national service. But then I wasn't living in Italy, enjoying the benefits of the country.

There's now a tradition of this in the old gen hard right US conservative politicians,
who shamelessly wave the flag but blatantly avoided service in Viet Nam when the great majority of ordinary Americans could not / did not even try
e,.g

"foot spurs"
or
"better things to do"

Great contrast to McCain serving in Viet Nam
and Bush senior in WW2

Their party of the right are now patriots in name only. Too

Not a nonsense because then and now tests are often either not available, or take too long to get results, or indeed get lost

Going abroad on holiday was a choice
Going to work, going to school are necessities
and the priority should be on them

OK, if you personally don’t have to either travel for business or work in a travel related industry then you won’t see it as a priority.

The Government’s inability to get its shit together with both testing and track & trace is the real reason for imposing over draconian rules despite the scientific evidence.

@bellinisurge

Starmer has a massive image problem as a Remoaner. Of course he is going to play as many patriotism cards as he can. We have to suck it up and let Labour do this if it is what gets a sizeable number of people away from the "it's Johnson and the Tories because there is no one else " idea. He ain't no Tony Blair but his biggest appeal is being a competent grown up who has stood up to tough challenges in his life in the real world. And his origins are pretty humble.

At least its not Corbyn amiright?

@SabrinaThwaite

Not a nonsense because then and now tests are often either not available, or take too long to get results, or indeed get lost

Going abroad on holiday was a choice
Going to work, going to school are necessities
and the priority should be on them

OK, if you personally don’t have to either travel for business or work in a travel related industry then you won’t see it as a priority.

The Government’s inability to get its shit together with both testing and track & trace is the real reason for imposing over draconian rules despite the scientific evidence.

.... There are never going to be enough tests in any country for everyone who would genuinely benefit from them The moonshot is a ridiculous aim

Hence it is a matter of priorities
The greatest good for the greatest number, who have to go to work & school

The vast majority of travellers this summer thought here to be the major cause of the 2nd wave across Europe - were holidaymakers

Bad decison by all countries who allowed this
If travel had been kept restricted to business and essential as before, then the test system and t&t would likely have been able to handle them

This epidemic has shown how unnecessary a lot - not all - of business travel is,
with video conferencing etc as alternatives

Yeah, except it’s very hard (virtually impossible) to do international sales over video conferencing / Skype though.

The Uk once again joining the pariahs who reject international law,
now in the most serious area of the criminal law, not just trade law

... International law is that those who commit war crimes must be tried and punished if found guilty

We could see ICC (Int Criminal court) international warrants out for British soldiers that the Uk refuses to investigate
So they will have to be very careful which countries they visit

The US is powerful enough to get away with this; the Uk will just get embarassed.
Again

And of course the embarassment to the UK, showing it is one of the outlaw countries that look the other way when it comes to their own war criminals

The UK will lose any credibility criticising other countries who have commited past war crimes,
when it passes a law giving its its own soldiers immunity from investigation

@BigChocFrenzy

This epidemic has shown how unnecessary a lot - not all - of business travel is, with video conferencing etc as alternatives

I said at the outset of this that the age of globetrotting as you please travel was finished.

We have discussions/negotiations with international customers via conference call literally all the time!

Much business travel isn't actually necessary (although some of it is desirable). But you can't generally take a holiday via MSTeams.

Not quite sure what bollocks Marco Longhi is spouting about giving up citizenship to "not be a soldier". But whatever it is it's a total and utter basket of cock. So we can safely discount anything he ever says in future.

What a prat. He left out the word servizio. No need to give up your citizenship, if you were at university you were excused as long as you were studying. He could then just have avoided travelling to Italy post graduation for a few years, or else find a sympathetic doctor, or even done community service as a conscientious objector.

Just as well though, why should he have EU nationality after his party deprived others of theirs?

Also, the comment that there aren’t a lot of police on the streets (not enough in his view) because Boris is freedom loving is a pile of poo. It’s because If the Tories’ cost cutting and austerity.

@SabrinaThwaite

Yeah, except it’s very hard (virtually impossible) to do international sales over video conferencing / Skype though.

.... Unfortunately, a hell of a lot of workers on very low income have been unable to do their jobs, hence unable to pay essential bills

It’s not business as usual for a lot of people

We need to accept that the travel sector and those who need it for work are affected, like the leisure and hospitality sectors

So they need to adapt working practices to the temporary new normal, like everyone else

However, in your case,
we are talking about the time period between testing at day 10 and isolating 14 days
With current turnaround, it amounts to much the same thing !

@SabrinaThwaite

Yeah, except it’s very hard (virtually impossible) to do international sales over video conferencing / Skype though.

Evolution in action. The companies that can will. The ones that can't won't and suffer the fate that befalls all organisms that cannot adapt to a new environment.

It was be bitterly ironic if all the people who eschew the looney tunes religious fundamentalists who themselves shun the notion of evolution failed to realise that what is happening now is .... evolution.

If it genuinely becomes impossible to travel and maintain international sales, then maybe we are in for a more parochial future ?

I've just finished a VERY productive Zoom negotiation
and am now drinking my tea.
Then again next week I'm having an F2F with a colleague to discuss issues that we do not want covered by GDPR

Business has changed. It will not change back to what it was.
The new normal will be sideways from the old normal.

Even if Johnson discovered tomorrow that he had an oven ready SM/CU deal
and signed it before the January parking lot
the UK and the EU would not go back to the pre June 2016 old normal.

Yep
A company that doesn't adapt to changes - which are mostly speeded up changes that would have happened anyway -
will be replaced by a company that is more "agile"

However, in your case, we are talking about the time period between testing at day 10 and isolating 14 days. With current turnaround, it amounts to much the same thing !

Um, no. Testing on day 7 with a 1 day turnaround to pick up 94% of cases by day 8. Even testing on day 5 with a 1 day turnaround picks up 88%.