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Westministender: Amen to that!

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RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 20:52

On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

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BigChocFrenzy · 23/09/2020 15:04

Brexit: Queues in Kent could be 7,000 trucks long and last days, Gove warns

Well, he doesn't warn the public:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/09/22/7000-trucks-could-face-two-day-brexit-delays-dover-gove-warns/

Leaked letter from Michael Gove to trade bodies warns of post-Brexit queues at Dover, potentially worsened by a winter spike in Covid-19

BigChocFrenzy · 23/09/2020 15:10

Businesses face point of no return as UK stumbles towards second lockdown

Yes, Covid restrictions, instead of letting the plebs die for the economy, has really pissed off his former Torygraph cheerleaders

He's scheduled for the dump, so question is by when - between end Jan and Easter ? - and who replaces him - Gove or Raab look frontrunners

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/09/22/businesses-face-point-no-return-uk-stumbles-towards-second-lockdown/

The Government’s shambolic mismanagement of this crisis is about to be compounded by our EU exit

BigChocFrenzy · 23/09/2020 15:12

If haulage firms / drivers face hefty fines, they might pause for January and see how things work out

  • I hope shops & JIT manufacturers get in plenty of stock before EOY Oh, that's the point of JIT - not having warehouses of stock
BigChocFrenzy · 23/09/2020 15:21

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/sep/23/uk-coronavirus-live-news-restrictions-government-pmqs-covid-latest-updates?page=with:block-5f6b49f78f0804b332904783#block-5f6b49f78f0804b332904783

Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, has confirmed that there could be queues of up to 7,000 lorries in Kent in January if hauliers are not ready for Brexit..^

In a statement to MPs he said just one in four businesses thought they were “fully ready” for the end of the post-Brexit transition after 31 December.
He said the government was outlining its “reasonable worst-case scenario planning assumptions” to help to encourage firms to prepare.
He went on:

"The scenario builds on an estimate that only 50% to 70% of large businesses and just 20% to 40% of small and medium-size enterprises would be ready for the strict application of new EU requirements.

In those circumstances that could mean between only 30% and 60% of laden HGVs would arrive at the border with the necessary formalities completed for the goods on board.

They’d therefore be turned back by the French border authorities, clogging the Dover to Calais crossing."

Gove said this could lead to queues of “up to 7,000 HGVs in Kent”, adding:

"These queues and associated disruption and delay would, of course, subside as unready businesses who had their goods turned back at the French border would not want to repeat the experience.
But it is clearly far better that everyone is aware now of what is needed to prepare rather than to face additional disruption next year."

Darker · 23/09/2020 15:30

Is there a word yet that describes the feeling you get when you read yet another example of the appalling fall-out from Brexit?

RedToothBrush · 23/09/2020 15:33

How can you be ready for something when you aren't being told what to be ready for or how to be ready for it?

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DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 15:37

@RedToothBrush

How can you be ready for something when you aren't being told what to be ready for or how to be ready for it?
Dunno, ask Christians. It's kinda their mission statement.
wherearemychickens · 23/09/2020 15:39

And the tools you need to be ready aren't finished yet

prettybird · 23/09/2020 15:41

The implication here is that somehow it is the hauliers and businesses fault for not being prepared Hmm

Not that this is the natural consequence of leaving the EU and furrowing our own deluded trail Confused

Even if hauliers and businesses were fully prepared, there will still be delays Confused Norway and Sweden are both in the Single Market and Schengen, but because they are not in the CU there are still checks at the border and queues at customs points Confused So whatever happens, there is going to be a clusterfuck at the ports and Tunnel. and then there is smuggling to contend with too.

www.politico.eu/article/brexit-ireland-border-customs-norway-sweden/

DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 15:45
Peregrina · 23/09/2020 15:51

Sweden is in the EU. I think you were thinking of Switzerland - where there are most definitely queues at the border.

ListeningQuietly · 23/09/2020 15:54

Amazing
its as if the last 4 years and three months of saying
but what about customs clearance never happened Sad Angry Hmm

DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 15:58

@ListeningQuietly

Amazing its as if the last 4 years and three months of saying but what about customs clearance never happened Sad Angry Hmm
Well Covid was unforeseen.

And who'd have thought the French would deliberately flood the channel when we weren't looking just to scupper Brexit and keep us in the EU ?

Luckily we have good old British fairies at the bottom of Buckingham Palaces gardens to see off the damnedable Bosch.

(checks) - yup, resilience still holding up !

DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 16:04

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Westministender: Amen to that!
prettybird · 23/09/2020 16:05

Sorry - I didn't mean to write "they". I do know Sweden is in the EU - but Norway is not Blush I was attempting to point out that even though they are both in the Single Market (and Schengen, although that is less relevant for goods), there are still queues at the border Shock - often hours long. Papers need to be checked and stamped. Drivers are asked where they are going.

Can you imagine how that would escalate in Kent? Shock Even with a Trade Deal, you still need to have the right paperwork. People also forget the delays that can be caused by NTBs. Sad

Lisette1940 · 23/09/2020 16:06

DGR weeps with laughter 🤣💩

TheMShip · 23/09/2020 16:18

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

I stand corrected, MShip!
Oh you were entirely correct that Johnson is an idiot. He just happens to also like flaunting his Eton education at us plebs.
prettybird · 23/09/2020 16:19

Another article, this time from the BBC, lauding the hi-tech Swedish-Norway border, yet......

For now, there is still plenty of paper to be processed, first with the customs agents, then at the customs office. At 3pm, a big crowd of drivers has built up. They take a ticket and wait to hand over their documents. A Swedish trucker grumbles to me that it can take an hour and a half, and he is unimpressed with the level of customer service.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41412561

And that's only dealing with 1,300 lorries a day, while more than ten times as many go through the port of Dover and the Eurotunnel freight terminal.Shock

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 23/09/2020 16:40

MShip the meaning was clear, though the word is not one I'd come across before personally.

DGR so tempting... Grin

BCF I'm impressed as many as a quarter think they're fully ready. I suspect most of that quarter will find they aren't.

DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 16:47

Government and IT. What could possibly go wrong ?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-kent-internal-border-police-patrol-lorries-b552680.html

Police will patrol the Kent border to turn away lorries without an “access permit” in a bid to ease Brexit border chaos, it has been revealed.

Michael Gove said officers will use automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) cameras and “other means” to block drivers – in what will be seen as an “internal border” in the UK.

DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 16:48

Papers please.

DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 16:51

And one of the more insightful comments ...

I have often wondered what are the benefits of Brexit as I could never see any . Now however I can see clearly what is happening . Who benefits most ? There is only one winner from Brexit , The EU. They get rid of the thorn in their shoe . I think if you were to dig deep enough you would find Brexit originated in Brussels

Sostenueto · 23/09/2020 17:06

Well I'm trying to get the 'blitz' all in it together vibe....

Westministender: Amen to that!
mrslaughan · 23/09/2020 17:12

@BigChocFrenzy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/sep/23/uk-coronavirus-live-news-restrictions-government-pmqs-covid-latest-updates?page=with:block-5f6b49f78f0804b332904783#block-5f6b49f78f0804b332904783

Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, has confirmed that there could be queues of up to 7,000 lorries in Kent in January if hauliers are not ready for Brexit..^

In a statement to MPs he said just one in four businesses thought they were “fully ready” for the end of the post-Brexit transition after 31 December.
He said the government was outlining its “reasonable worst-case scenario planning assumptions” to help to encourage firms to prepare.
He went on:

"The scenario builds on an estimate that only 50% to 70% of large businesses and just 20% to 40% of small and medium-size enterprises would be ready for the strict application of new EU requirements.

In those circumstances that could mean between only 30% and 60% of laden HGVs would arrive at the border with the necessary formalities completed for the goods on board.

They’d therefore be turned back by the French border authorities, clogging the Dover to Calais crossing."

Gove said this could lead to queues of “up to 7,000 HGVs in Kent”, adding:

"These queues and associated disruption and delay would, of course, subside as unready businesses who had their goods turned back at the French border would not want to repeat the experience.
But it is clearly far better that everyone is aware now of what is needed to prepare rather than to face additional disruption next year."

I saw this reported and there were so many comments below it saying it was "project fear". Very very depressing....
DGRossetti · 23/09/2020 17:13

A second wave the nation could all get behind ...

Westministender: Amen to that!