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Westminstenders: Pah International Law. Who needs it?

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RedToothBrush · 12/09/2020 18:09

I mean its not as if trade deals and human rights are relevant is it?

(sorry eating my dinner so must be brief)

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Peregrina · 17/09/2020 07:52

Gove doesnt have the charisma that Johnson is supposed to have had.

Darker · 17/09/2020 08:06

It’s now my belief that the opposition and his own party are going to let BJ stay in post so that he’s at the wheel when the inevitable car crash happens.

DrBlackbird · 17/09/2020 08:09

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54185180

Ex-Transport Secretary Chris Grayling has landed a £100,000 job advising the owner of some of the UK's top ports. The Conservative MP is working for Hutchison Ports, which operates Harwich and Felixstowe among other terminals. According to the MPs' register of financial interests, he will be paid for seven hours work a week for a year. The appointment has been approved by a Whitehall watchdog despite it raising concerns of a "perceived risk" that it may give the firm an unfair advantage.

£100k for 7 hours a week is allowed as a working MP?! Apparently he's not to advise the firm on risks or opportunities to do with Brexit a good thing for the company just on 'environmental issues and local enterprise'.

Given his record on the environment or local enterprise is hardly impressive, you can only be left with the conclusion that the firm sees money to be made from the 'opportunities' coming their way from Brexit. But didn't these sorts of relationships take place behind closed doors in the good old days? Should I be surprised that this government is being ever more brazen about it's apparent willingness to be sold to the highest bidder?

RedToothBrush · 17/09/2020 08:14

This week's cover story for the spectator

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-missing-leader-boris-johnson-needs-to-find-his-purpose-again/amp?__twitter_impression=true
The missing leader: Boris Johnson needs to find his purpose again
Where is the man we thought we voted for?

At the end of last week, the Prime Minister invited Tory MPs to a massive conference call, a kind of digital fireside chat to lift their spirits. It was a disaster. First the MPs were astonished to learn that he wasn’t taking questions; then his connection failed halfway through — at which point the callers, who had been ‘muted’, became ‘unmuted’ and started talking loudly and all at once. One of them, Michael Fabricant, started singing ‘Rule Britannia’. When the call came to an end, the MPs were all left wondering the same thing. What’s happened to Boris? Where is the man we thought we voted for?

Well he never existed but thats not the point.

The article gets worse as you read it.

I am really not sure what was expected. Johnson was always nothing more than a load of hot air and they are surprised when this finally becomes apparent.

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borntobequiet · 17/09/2020 08:14

Whoever is employing Grayling for advice must be delusional.

borntobequiet · 17/09/2020 08:15

Like all those Tory MPs who thought they were voting for a competent leader.

TatianaBis · 17/09/2020 08:30

[quote TheABC]@Peregrina, Gov? I thought that was the plan all along, except Covid has accelerated the timeline.

  • Break Britain
  • Get the population desperate enough to accept new infringements and fewer safeguards
  • Deregulate and sell off anything left
  • Watch the money roll in
  • Blame Labour/EU/nasty foreigners for your actions
  • Swan off and write a book about it.[/quote]
  • Retire the country and build a swimming pool
mrslaughan · 17/09/2020 08:46

I think Bozo has been living the fable of the emperor's new clothes...... though everyone on this thread saw through him, many many many believed the illusion

DrBlackbird · 17/09/2020 09:12

Things are taking a darker turn... we sleep walked into enabling private firms to hold and use every aspect of our live's data for commercial purposes to manipulate and shape our consumption patterns.

But as someone who has lectured on surveillance for many years, this news chills me to the bone.

Most of 2020 seemed down to governmental incompetence and Johnson the centre piece of that incompentencer. This contract, however, signals a long term strategy to take complete control of our data to darker ends. What better way to collect border control data on a population living on an island?

If you thought the UK had a hostile environment to immigrants, we're going to move to a new scale on that plus more for UK citizens. Particularly those participating in legitimate protest against the government.

This is a very long term strategy and I would bet any amount of money that this contract leads back to Cummings and his vision of a disrupted UK along with a remade UK English military using AI, big data, drones, and algorithms. No wonder Cumming's has been focused on the military. All becoming clearer now.

The government has awarded oversight of the UK’s post-Brexit border and customs data to Palantir, an American tech firm. Palantir, whose co-founder Peter Thiel has been a vocal supporter of Trump, was formally awarded a contract last week to manage the data analytics and architecture of the UK’s new “border flow tool”, which will collate data on the transit of goods and customs.

This firm makes Google, Amazon, and FB look like cuddly toys.

Songsofexperience · 17/09/2020 09:17

Palantir? Wasn't it somehow linked to Cambridge Analytica?

(Also, as the fantasy geek that I am, I can't help but point put the sinister connotation of the name... in Lord of the Rings, the Palantirs are seeing stones, all lost except for the used by Saruman to communicate with Sauron. With a name like that I could never be convinced that this is a benevolent organisation!)

SabrinaThwaite · 17/09/2020 09:58

[quote TheABC]@Peregrina, Gov? I thought that was the plan all along, except Covid has accelerated the timeline.

  • Break Britain
  • Get the population desperate enough to accept new infringements and fewer safeguards
  • Deregulate and sell off anything left
  • Watch the money roll in
  • Blame Labour/EU/nasty foreigners for your actions
  • Swan off and write a book about it.[/quote]
You forgot “blame the civil service”.
BoreOfWhabylon · 17/09/2020 09:59

Mail Online has headline 'Enough of the BS, Boris' and is also gunning for Dido Harding.

All COVID still, with nothing, nothing about Brexit.

DGRossetti · 17/09/2020 10:05

@BoreOfWhabylon

Mail Online has headline 'Enough of the BS, Boris' and is also gunning for Dido Harding.

All COVID still, with nothing, nothing about Brexit.

Of course if you were going to try and attack Brexit, you could never do it openly.
Sostenueto · 17/09/2020 10:54

This being sent to junior civil service members

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-54161951

BigChocFrenzy · 17/09/2020 10:56

BJ has been a very useful tool for the Tory Brexiters & authoritarians,
but the Tory party - even when sane & more moderate - has always been ruthless about dumping a leader as soon as they become a liability

Now that they are firmly in power with an overall 80 majority, he has served his purpose
The real leaders can come out into the open if ever they cba to work behind the scenes pulling BJ's strings any more

Brexiters would almost certainly not won the referendum without him (or without Corbyn)
might not even have won an overall majority at the GE if say Gove had been leader (or if Corbyn hadn't been)

However, now they can safely put in Gove ^^ or his eldritch ilk ....

BigChocFrenzy · 17/09/2020 11:00

re Raab Goes to Washington ....

John Bulll@garius*

Dominic Raab's diplomatic clout in his head.
Dominic Raab's diplomatic clout in reality.

Westminstenders: Pah International Law. Who needs it?
BigChocFrenzy · 17/09/2020 11:03

Legal action over UK's breach of NI Protocol still on table - Barnier

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/0916/1165612-brexit-barnier-uk-ireland/

Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator, has told member states that legal action against the UK for its threatened breach of the Northern Ireland Protocol remains on the table,
but will be deployed at the "appropriate" time,
RTÉ News understands.

During a meeting with Mr Barnier this morning,
ambassadors from 27 member states are said to have registered "cold fury" at British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's plan to breach the Withdrawal Agreement,
and his claim that the EU intended to block food imports into Northern Ireland from Britain.

"There was quite a lot of outrage on the way the UK was spinning on the food blockade,"
one source, who was briefed on the meeting, told RTÉ News.
"There was a lot of dismay on that.

People are furious, but it is a cold fury.

They know that the only option is to keep calm and carry on."

Officials say the EU is determined to separate the EU's response to Mr Johnson's Internal Market Bill, which London has admitted will breach international law,
and the ongoing trade negotiations.

DGRossetti · 17/09/2020 11:40

[quote Sostenueto]This being sent to junior civil service members

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-54161951[/quote]
How about en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

Songsofexperience · 17/09/2020 11:53

All so depressing and dystopian. Just wondering what this government will do if Biden wins the US election. How can they be so confident Trump will be re-elected?

DGRossetti · 17/09/2020 12:13

@Songsofexperience

All so depressing and dystopian. Just wondering what this government will do if Biden wins the US election. How can they be so confident Trump will be re-elected?
Remember John Majors government briefed against Bill Clinton in 1996 ...
Singasonga · 17/09/2020 12:41

@Songsofexperience

All so depressing and dystopian. Just wondering what this government will do if Biden wins the US election. How can they be so confident Trump will be re-elected?
I'd say they have to be confident Trump will win. All of their eggs are in that basket now.
quiteathome · 17/09/2020 12:41

Passing comment on/ by Jeremy Vine- Chris Whitty is recommending another national lockdown.

What person in their rightmind pays Chris Grayling to do anything?

DGRossetti · 17/09/2020 13:28

After Barbados, Jamaica

www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/55-of-respondents-say-the-queen-must-go_200465

ListeningQuietly · 17/09/2020 13:56

DGR
Re Barbados and Jamaica
The Tory party's handling of the Windrush folks cut that silken cord for ever.
None of the Commonwealth countries trust the UK not to put people on planes to countries they do not know, with no money.
When Gammon's say don't you know who we are the reply seems now to be all too well Sad

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