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Westministenders: Don't forget to stockpile. Again.

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RedToothBrush · 04/08/2020 18:10

The government is telling pharmacists and drug manufactures to stockpile drugs ahead of the end of transition on 31st December.

In the middle of a pandemic.

What could go wrong?

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DGRossetti · 06/08/2020 19:01

@BigChocFrenzy

Just looking at the Beeb on the US POTUS elections and the "battelground" states which are basically like UK marginals where elevctions are won

Looks like some Trump states hit hard by COVID bungling - Florida, Arizona, Texas - are finally turning against him

Beau has been spot on so far about when the flip and when the flop happens ...

Florida reports a Trump win = Mail in voting good
Nevada reports a Trump loss = Mail in voting bad

Beau did suggest that Trump issue a list of all 50 states with a star for the ones that are good . But as a wag on the comments noted, it's unlikely Trump could name the 50 states.

I also read a brilliant word in the comments: FORGAINST

as in "Donald Trump is forgainst mail in voting".

I'd like to appeal to Westminstenders in helping bring it to Blighty.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 06/08/2020 19:01

LQ - and their scope is not confined solely to a narrow definition of Brexit either. In any event, shortly everything will be related to Brexit. Sad

SabrinaThwaite · 06/08/2020 19:14

Some tiny odd-shaped creatures I merely assume are dogs because they are on a lead

I’ve spotted somebody locally walking a Sphinx cat on a lead. It didn’t seem terribly thrilled TBH.

mrslaughan · 06/08/2020 19:49

I am definitely a pet person, dogs and cats - kind of horses, but they aren't really pets and need a job. Would love a couple of goats - but not the best way to be neighbourly (they are fabulous escape artists with a penchant for other people's gardens). Would also love a bearded dragon - but DH is a flat no on that one..... sigh......quite like kunekune pigs too....

I saw a piece of countryfile about an area of direct in Kent they are regenerating with the help of wild bison - found that fascinating. I live on the edge of a massive national trust estate that is over run with deer. They do a cull every year , which gets everyone up in arms, but when the "herd" is too they have a negative effect on the forest which is not something most people get these days. Not sure all the dog walkers would be happy with lynx and wolves as population control....

DGR- I really have a bit of a problem with the rspca- and your story of the women and the wheelchair. I mean dogs aren't just meant to be pets and I think are happiest when working. One of our dogs is a giant breed, one of his traditional roles would have been to pull a cart. In winter if we have snow, he lives pulling the kids on a sled. He looks just so happy..... if sometimes a little enthusiastic, taking off so fast they fly off the back.....

AuldAlliance · 06/08/2020 19:58

Welcome on board Hedy

CV cases rising in France again.
This afternoon, a paramedic just in front of me in the little local bookshop answered his phone, v audibly. Yes, he said, he'd been called out to a family in our town with CV. Yes, the father, who is quadraplegic, has tested positive, as have the mother and daughter. And the pet rabbit (French gallows humour for you). The nurse who usually goes in to provide care for the father is refusing to do so, saying it's too risky.
He wound up by saying there is clearly a cluster there, and cases are rising fast in our town more generally.
If I hadn't been in the bookshop at the same time as him, I'd never have known.
And I was so glad he had that loud conversation just in front of me, raising his face mask to do so and then slipping it down again, beneath his nose...
(He was buying Süskind's Perfume, which wouldn't be my chosen reading in the context.)

In other news, Macron went walkabout in a postcolonial minefield in Beirut today.

I have just driven 2hrs to drop the DC off at ex's for the holiday.
There is really bad air pollution here, as there often is in summer, exacerbated by major wildfires recently and by the heatwave. Signs on all the major roads saying to reduce speed by 20km/hr due to pollution. I couldn't do that, as 75% of other drivers were doing 10-20km above the limit and going 30-40km/hr slower wasn't safe, not to mention all the usual blithe undertaking, tailgating and zigzagging motorbikes. I did 10-15km/hr below the limit. Only 2 or 3 other cars were doing less than the limit.

Humanity is well fucked.

As was confirmed by the IPCC member interviewed on the news while I drove home, who patiently answered the question, "Are all these heatwaves a sign that climate change is real, then?"

I have nowt to say about Brexit, as you can tell.

dontcallmelen · 06/08/2020 20:09

Welcome Hedy Yy I get my news & education from these threads, so enlightening & valuable.
Am dreading the next couple of days I’m in London & have a heart condition this excessive heat really drains me.

prettybird · 06/08/2020 20:24

AuldAlliance - my dad is in France at the moment visiting my db (who lives in the Perigord), due back on 11th. He WhatsApped me today to see how ds is (went back to Aberdeen 2.5 weeks ago, was in one of the pubs mentioned but the day before - he's more worried about whether his rugby training will re-start as scheduled Wink) and whether there would be any problems coming back on the 11th.

Worst case scenario, my dad has to self-quarantine for 2 weeks. I can do his shopping for him (although he lives the other side of the city, it's only a 25 minute drive) - but I think his neighbours will help him out (although last time, when dad thought he was supposed to be shielding before deciding he didn't need to I ended up shopping for them too as they ended up with symptoms Shock)

AuldAlliance · 06/08/2020 20:35

Prettybird
Things may well be clearer by the 11th, though I think data is a bit slow in France as lots of lab workers went on summer holiday just as the gvmt announced free tests for all...

France has been added to the list of countries that a certain number of places now require quarantine for after return, but if the UK does that between now and the 11th that would mean putting a shedload of people in quarantine, judging by the quantity of UK number plates I saw on the motorway over the last 3 weeks between Provence and Charente and the ringing British tones I heard in Charente and thereabouts.

My dad is being very cautious. Only leaving home once a week for an early morning shop.

His scathing comments on the inanity of replacing the annual gathering of our clan by a virtual FB gathering were quite memorable... Grin

SabrinaThwaite · 06/08/2020 20:55

@prettybird Some of DS’s mates were at the Aberdeen bars named - they have been tested but were all negative.

DGRossetti · 06/08/2020 20:55

@SabrinaThwaite

Some tiny odd-shaped creatures I merely assume are dogs because they are on a lead

I’ve spotted somebody locally walking a Sphinx cat on a lead. It didn’t seem terribly thrilled TBH.

One morning, caravanning, we looked out the window and saw a ferret being walked ...

(Apparently Walsall has turned it's saddling skills to a world centre of ferret accessories ...)

SabrinaThwaite · 06/08/2020 20:56

@AuldAlliance I do wonder how the UK will monitor compliance with quarantine requirements.

AuldAlliance · 06/08/2020 21:00

@SabrinaThwaite
I don't, TBH...They just won't.

SabrinaThwaite · 06/08/2020 21:01

@DGRossetti I like the idea of ferret walking, the ferrets I have known were quite up for a bit of non-trouser related outdoors activity. However, if I tried to walk my cat I think it would fall into the category of dragging.

ListeningQuietly · 06/08/2020 21:04

I do wonder how the UK will monitor compliance with quarantine requirements.
I refer you to my posts in March when a friend was flying in on the last flight out of Rome as it locked down ....

Flight comes into Stanstead,
All passengers cars are at Heathrow
make your own way home by public transport THEN quarantine for two weeks
NOTHING has changed in the UK

SabrinaThwaite · 06/08/2020 21:05

@AuldAlliance I don’t think they can / will either, through lack of data gathering and lack of manpower (plus how many people will give accurate contact details?)

AuldAlliance · 06/08/2020 21:05

In the EU country where my DSis lives, quarantine is taken v seriously, your identity is logged with the police and the fines are pretty serious for anyone not complying. They are monitoring the CV situation really well, but their population is nothing like the UK's...

I'm not sure how France is dealing with it. I struggle to find clear info. The holiday village on the coast near Marseille that was initially being used to quarantine incoming travellers during lockdown was badly damaged during the fires earlier this week, though I'm not sure whether it was still being used to that end or had been reopened to the public.

Peregrina · 06/08/2020 21:13

One of our dogs is a giant breed, one of his traditional roles would have been to pull a cart.

What would the RSPCA have to say about huskies pulling whopping great sledges in the Arctic then?

AuldAlliance - that's worrying to hear. DS and family are in Provence (I think we've talked before about Region PACA?) and we were hoping to go out next month to see them. We will have to keep our fingers and toes crossed. I am not too worried about having to self-isolate for two weeks when we get back - we will manage.

AuldAlliance · 06/08/2020 21:29

Peregrina
I remember your DS is in these parts.
It varies quite a lot from département to département, obviously, as population density is v different. I think there have been suggestions that people on the beaches are not being careful enough, for instance.
The Bouches du Rhône is now in the category labelled "under moderate vigilance", with clusters in Marseille, notably. None of the other PACA départements are in that category now.
I saw a site that said the R rate is 1.7 in PACA, but it wasn't an official site, rather one that compiles data from other sources, so I don't know how reliable it is.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/08/2020 21:37

We were discussing recently about US firms - cars, planes - being allowed to do their legal safety certification in-house

I hadn't realised how much of this was in the UK too.
Reportedly half the official Building Inspections for developments are done in-house by the large building firms Confused

Looks very dodgy; another tragedy in waiting

New homes built by Persimmon missing fire safety barriers

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-47613496

BigChocFrenzy · 06/08/2020 21:39

From last year, but I was searching for British firms and realised I'd missed this at the time

BigChocFrenzy · 06/08/2020 21:41

So much has been going on the last few years, that we are missing news that we would have prioritised before,
that we would have been shocked by

I seem to have lost my ability to be shocked atm
just mildly surprised is as far as I can stretch

BigChocFrenzy · 06/08/2020 21:45

Looking at the ECDC 14-day incidence rate,
France has nearly twice the Uk rate, 22.4 / 100,000 vs 14.1 / 100,000:

Westministenders: Don't forget to stockpile. Again.
BigChocFrenzy · 06/08/2020 21:49

France showing the same worrying rise in cases - not yet in deaths - as Spain

The UK is only showing a v small rise, not visible on the charts - and hopefully will remain so

Westministenders: Don't forget to stockpile. Again.
Westministenders: Don't forget to stockpile. Again.
Westministenders: Don't forget to stockpile. Again.
Taswama · 06/08/2020 21:51

I'm really glad to hear about the beavers in Devon. I've just finished reading Wilding by Isabella Tree and she mentions them there and that they were hoping to get some on the Knepp estate (Sussex). I saw on their website that they just have. There have been several families in Scotland for a few years.

TatianaBis · 06/08/2020 21:58

@BigChocFrenzy

France showing the same worrying rise in cases - not yet in deaths - as Spain

The UK is only showing a v small rise, not visible on the charts - and hopefully will remain so

I wonder if the difference in numbers is impacted by return to work.

In the U.K. only 34% of staff have gone back to work, in France it’s 83% (Germany 70%).

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