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Westminstenders: Operation Shock and Awe

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RedToothBrush · 13/07/2020 10:32

The government is launching its get ready for the end of transition campaign which has been dubbed a 'shock and awe' campaign.

In this campaign we will learn all about what Brexit means and what amazing opportunities lie for having increased customs and borders, beaucracy and increased costs. Bet you are all really excited and looking forward to this.

We will also get a 'Farage Garage' in Kent to cope with these wonderful opportunities in traffic jams. This will be something that businesses throughout the country will be super excited to plan for in their socially distanced Zoom meetings or across warehouses with their face masks on. And banks will be delighted to see an uptick in applications in CCJs and debt reconstruction plans.

It will be a super fun time for the under 30s who have zero hours contracts, worked in retail or hospitality. Or should I say 'worked'.

Meanwhile the right to a jury trial has been binned due to 'long covid delays' which are shorter than they were several years ago. The NHS isn't getting the funding it expected, and waiting lists are longer than ever with no way to clear them. The plan to build more hospitals seems to have disappeared with the Nightingales. Many councils are about to go into insolvency and be taken over by accountancy firms. The civil service is being dismantled and conservative loyalists with no experience being put in charge of important functions of state. Communications with the press are being 'streamlined' to make them incredible of holding power to account and only able to repeat government public announcements.

Anyone looking forward to Christmas? When you write a letter to Santa remember to add 'visa application form', 'a sleeping bag for use at Dover', 'tinned tomatoes' and 'packets of seeds to grow your own' to the list.

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FrankieStein402 · 15/07/2020 17:39

With email and PDF it should be possible to make it run pretty smoothly so long as the guidance is clear and decisive

Email / pdf means eyeballs - given the volumes what sort of definition of 'smoothly' did you have in mind? The current relative handling times for eu/Non-EU goods may be a clue. As for clear guidance?

You might have no sympathy for firms that are not ready - but any volume exporters would have needed to invest in systems that were to integrate with non-existent hmrc systems - CHIEF was struggling long before this and the interface to the replacement hasn't been defined yet. The blame for the chaos that begins this autumn sits with HMG not importers / exporters

missclimpson · 15/07/2020 17:41

Ha ha ha. Chris Grayling not appointed as Chair of Intellegence Committee. Julian Lewis appointed with help of all opposition parties.
Is anyone else old enough to remember The Navy Lark and "this is intellegence speaking...."

missclimpson · 15/07/2020 17:42

I am so excited by this news I have forgotten how to spell intelligence....

ListeningQuietly · 15/07/2020 17:54

Oooh, MissClimpson that is GOOD news

Frankie
I totally agree that HMG are to blame
but I left the FSB after it decided to sit on the fence and say Brexit would be OK.
In my parting email I said it would be a shower of shit and they should have been preparing their members years ago.
I was ignored.
THe lobby groups have been MUCH too complacent

missclimpson · 15/07/2020 18:09

Tom Newton Dunn on Twitter
"Quite a mini coup. Of the 9 members of the ISC, I'm told the vote was 5-4 in favour of Lewis. Lewis nominated himself this afternoon, having been told he had all four Labour/SNP votes, stunning Grayling, who nominated himself yesterday and didn't expect any challenges."
😂😂😂

prettybird · 15/07/2020 18:10

Sky News saying that, "Unkind people are saying that Grayling couldn't even win an election that has been rigged" GrinGrin

dontcallmelen · 15/07/2020 18:13

Crikey at last a small glimmer of good news missclimpson

prettybird · 15/07/2020 18:22

Just to be clear: Sky News was being tongue in cheek when he said "Some people..." Wink in fact, there was not terribly well disguised glee on his face

ListeningQuietly · 15/07/2020 18:25

Julian Lewis is an interesting character
but he is most definitely not stupid
if he decides that the Russia report highlights weaknesses in UK security it will get published no matter what Cummings tries to do
{snigger}

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 15/07/2020 18:29

Just came on because I saw the Grayling news. Not even the intelligence to think he'd go unchallenged Grin

Peregrina · 15/07/2020 18:46

What do we make of all this malarky? The relationships of the borders of Switzerland and Norway with the EU have both evolved over time. The UK wants to rip up the arrangements in less than 6 moths. Isn't it 176 days now?

I really do think that they thought the EU would cave in at the last moment because 'they always do' and 'Don't you know we are special?'.

JeSuisPoulet · 15/07/2020 18:59

So did Grayling vote for himself? Grin
That has cheered me up at least.

On a practical note, what happens to goods rejected with incorrect papers? Do the drivers have to turn around and return them, dump them at the port or go back to a holding bay and try again with the paperwork?
Just wondering if there will be a boom in "off the back of a lorry" fruit and veg in the SE if perishable goods can't be returned or if they are planning a large compost pile somewhere...

JeSuisPoulet · 15/07/2020 19:01

Oh I bet Guv'nor Cummins is PISSED
I can almost hear him now
"You had one job!" [gron]

JeSuisPoulet · 15/07/2020 19:03

Grayling grin fail there. Apologies!

DGRossetti · 15/07/2020 19:04

The lobby groups have been MUCH too complacent

They have completely and utterly shat upon their members. Not brave people among them. Clearly they were hoping (see also: BBC) that if they sucked up to the Government hard enough, they'd get some sort of special treatment as loyalists.

ListeningQuietly · 15/07/2020 19:10

Poulet
On a practical note, what happens to goods rejected with incorrect papers? Do the drivers have to turn around and return them, dump them at the port or go back to a holding bay and try again with the paperwork?
The vehicle is going nowhere - its in the limbo land of clearance zone.
So the first set of papers is rejected.
In the old days there would be a panicked phone call then fax to put them right
nice money for the clearance agents
and then a re-submission an hour or so later
and then its on its way

if there is a major ferk up then the vehicle is held
and after 6 hours charged demurrage (rental of a customs parking space) until clearance is complete longest I knew was 11 days

hence why so much space is needed

  • at any time there will be THOUSANDS of lorries clearing customs in south east kent ....
Peregrina · 15/07/2020 19:14

So perishable goods will spoil unless they all get their paperwork sorted out PDQ? I wonder if those who voted for Taking Back Control really thought it would have meant taking control of filling in thousands of forms?

DGRossetti · 15/07/2020 19:16

@Peregrina

So perishable goods will spoil unless they all get their paperwork sorted out PDQ? I wonder if those who voted for Taking Back Control really thought it would have meant taking control of filling in thousands of forms?
They were told it was a "bonfire" of forms. The vast majority then proceeding to fuck all fact checking.

And here we are.

LouiseCollins28 · 15/07/2020 19:53

Honestly, if passenger carrying trains are not going to be needed in the numbers they were pre-Covid because commuting isn’t happening in anything like the same numbers then I’d rather see vastly more freight entering the U.K. and moving around it by rail.

If there is more rail capacity because fewer passengers are using trains, give/sell the paths to companies who want to move goods by rail. Win for the economy (big change, lots of investment and infrastructure needed) win for communities (fewer lorries on unsuitable roads) win for the environment (less pollution).

TheMShip · 15/07/2020 19:56

Commuting rail routes are very different from freight rail routes. Hard to stitch together additional freight runs.

mrslaughan · 15/07/2020 20:00

Peregrina - I was following w twitter thread full of brexiteers congratulating themselves - how all this paper work is going to create jobs for brits and that is going to boost the economy.
Also we will have a deal because the French and Spanish will be desperate for us to have one apparently......
It was like I had entered an alternative reality.

The news on grayling has cheered me up no end - was seriously fucked off as DH (not so much of the "D") has just burnt our dinner on the BBQ - also a situation of "you had one job"

mrslaughan · 15/07/2020 20:00

I also can't believe Julian Lewis put himself forward without knowing he has the support of the conservative backbenchers........

prettybird · 15/07/2020 20:03

@AdamBienkov

After Michael Gove was pictured without a face covering in a Pret A Manger, Boris Johnson’s spokesman says masks will not be required when buying takeaway food.

Altering the "rules" to fit the favoured few Hmm Sound familiar? WinkAngry

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 15/07/2020 20:03

@e_casalicchio
EXCLUSIVE: Julian Lewis has had the Conservative whip removed.

RedToothBrush · 15/07/2020 20:08

@ListeningQuietly

Julian Lewis is an interesting character but he is most definitely not stupid if he decides that the Russia report highlights weaknesses in UK security it will get published no matter what Cummings tries to do {snigger}
He is an interesting character.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Lewis

A Eurosceptic, Lewis is a supporter of the groups Leave Means Leave and the European Research Group (ERG).[2] Lewis served as Chair of the Defence Select Committee from 2015 to 2019. He actively pursues the retention and renewal of the British strategic nuclear deterrent, the UK Trident programme – confirmed in 2016 – and campaigns for Defence expenditure to be restored to 3% of GDP.

Lewis is the only Member of Parliament who does not allow his constituents to contact him by email. In a letter in the Guardian, he stated: "Letters, phone calls, and, where appropriate, surgery appointments are perfectly adequate for people who genuinely need my help, as the many letters of thanks quoted on my website fully confirm. Only mass, manipulative campaigners and obsessive individuals find this a problem – and so they should!"

and

From 1976 until early 1978, with secret funding from The Freedom Association, he posed as a Labour Party moderate and briefly won control of Newham North East Constituency Labour Party, in an eventually unsuccessful attempt to reverse the deselection of the sitting MP, Reg Prentice, and in order to highlight Militant Tendency entryism in the Labour Party.

and

With the creation of the Liberal-Conservative Coalition as a result of the election of a hung parliament in 2010, the post which he had shadowed (Minister for the Armed Forces) was allocated to the Liberal Democrat Defence spokesman, Nick Harvey MP. Lewis was appointed as a member of Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee in September 2010.

and

He was elected as a member of the Defence Select Committee at a by-election in October 2014, whilst remaining on the Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament.

In June 2015, he was elected to the Chair of the Commons Defence Select Committee by 314 votes to 242, and in July 2017 he was re-elected to this position, in the new Parliament, by 305 votes to 265. Having supervised more than 30 Inquiries, during the 2015-17 and 2017-19 Parliaments, Lewis made it known in January 2020 that he would not seek re-election to chair the Defence Committee for a third time, as "It is better to stop while people wish you to carry on, than to carry on until people wish you to stop!"

and

In October 2009, Martin Bell OBE, author of the investigative study A Very British Revolution: The Expenses Scandal and How to Save our Democracy, wrote to Lewis stating: "It is my view that in your expenses claims you have acted throughout with absolute propriety – and you may feel free to quote this judgement … Unlike certain others, you come out of the episode of MPs' expenses as a rather admirable character."

and

In January and March 2019, he was one of only 28 Conservative Eurosceptic MPs – the so-called 'Spartans'[67] – to vote against Theresa May's EU Withdrawal Agreement in all three divisions in the House of Commons, because "Brexit should mean Brexit and no deal is better than this bad deal"

Looking through his bio, its very hard to put him into a box. His views at times are very right wing, but at other times he goes completely the other way and has shown some really liberal views too.

He seems to have a certain degree of that rare quality within Westminister: Integrity. I don't disagree with him on a lot of things, but he seems to be very different to some of those I might mention on all sides of the house.

This could be interesting.

His background in Defence is something that definitely has got my interest...

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